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calling all beings y'all

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welcome back to calling all beings it's

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good to have everyone with us this

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evening i am nathan and i'm your host

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i'm joined by my co-host the wonderful

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kevin

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i'm it's going great how are you doing

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excellent i'm doing well loving the new

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headphones we've been talking a little

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bit about that oh yeah i wanted to match

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the occasion have some uap on my face

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you know just fantastic they look

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terrific thank you

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matches everything and deb how are you

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this evening deb of ufps yes i'm doing

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great how's everybody everyone's good

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yeah doing well man it's uh it's been a

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good week it's been uh gosh i can't

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believe that march is coming to a close

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you know quarter of the way through the

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year here just

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absolutely bonkers to me

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but uh we've got an amazing show for uh

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folks tonight we are joined by two

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incredible people in the community uh

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whose names i know everybody will

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recognize so one we've got uh jess rogie

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of the rogue report escape the

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simulation and we've also got enzo cyril

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and enzo is a retired air force and he's

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a real person he's not just a positivity

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bot that shows up all over everyone's

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channels which i know is a lot of people

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think he's the enzo botnet but he is a

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real person and a fantastic person at

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that and we are grateful to have both of

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these fine humans with us this evening

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and i'm going to bring them on stage so

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welcome to the show guys

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welcome excellent so welcome to calling

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all beings and as we talked about

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backstage normally we've got dj with us

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our host that gives the amazing uh kind

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of wwe wwf introduction uh i am not

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going to try i can't i've tried before

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i've failed so just it's not going to

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happen

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so hopefully we will maybe we will

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record one of those for you guys as a as

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a later on a gift if you really want

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that full dj experience he is uh for our

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listeners wondering where he is this

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evening he is chasing a cat that has

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gotten stuck inside the walls you heard

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that right the walls of his house

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so the cab team has already received

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photos of drywall coming apart and it

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good luck dj that's all i have to say

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hope you find that cat

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hopefully he will join us as well but if

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not we wish you well dj in that search

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so i want to get started uh jess let's

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start with you

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a couple things i want to say about your

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one i love that you've got this kind of

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wide spectrum of coverage you know

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you're talking about a lot of topics

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if you're if you're kind of heavy in the

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ufo side of the of the high strangeness

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or whatever you may ignore

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a lot of the kind of paranormal aspects

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and you seem to be very comfortable not

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covering them but really diving into

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them and is that something that you know

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you've always had an interest in or did

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that kind of evolve over time

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i think it evolved when i did my first

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show i was a little more paranormal and

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talked a little bit more about these

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high strangeness things and then when i

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did my second show i kind of threw all

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that away and i went hardcore into nuts

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and bolts but recently i've kind of been

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like you know what i want to get back

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into talking about the more strange

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things like remote viewing consciousness

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you know dreams meditation things like

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that because it's all you know you find

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the more you look at it and if you keep

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an open mind you kind of see that there

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is a connection between these different

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and i think that's what my goal is with

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the show is to kind of say like hey why

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don't you look at this

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look at this person just listen you know

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you don't have to

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to believe everything but you know just

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take in the information and then make

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your decisions

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yeah totally have you found that uh the

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folks in kind of those different pockets

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they themselves kind of merging into

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other areas they wouldn't have been in

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i think they're they're getting really

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interested and talk about talking to you

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know your ufo shows too because like

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they you know people who work in those

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types of you know in the more paranormal

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side of things they feel it's all

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connected they you know they see all the

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connections so i think it kind of opens

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them up to kind of look

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at the other side of ufology as well

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it is funny because the paranormal

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people that i'm familiar with do seem to

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be like we're waiting for the rest of

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you to catch up to us because when you

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look at it from that consciousness

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that paranormality it does it is more of

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approach to the topic than the ufos

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either the kind of nuts and bolts

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angle or the the kind of hard sci-fi ets

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from somewhere else they they don't it's

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like taking a while for that crowd to

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think people who are hardcore nuts and

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bolts have a little harder of a time

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being open to these types of things

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so it's it's it's difficult

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will be a big change or if a lot of

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people will look into but i see i think

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in the more consciousness side of things

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i love it i love it and i love that

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you're promoting that and getting into

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it i think honestly from my perspective

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that's where this is going it's going

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kind of to that direction and we've been

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seeing a lot of that recently uh from

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folks like jim semivan who've been more

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open about his experience

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uh from folks like john ramirez and his

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uh sort of you know kind of

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personal experience with the encounters

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uh and of course skin walks at the

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pentagon you know that book gets a lot

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of sort of laughter and chuckles but if

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you've been familiar with the paranormal

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side of it and very comfortable with

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kind of what's going on over there the

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things that you read about in that book

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don't seem that strange and don't seem

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a lot of people like to look at too is

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just the skin walker ranch as an example

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of a place where all this different

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phenomenon occurs and you know from what

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there's other places in this world on

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this planet that you know where the veil

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is thinner where all these things can

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happen in the same place so it's very

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interesting to see like books like

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skin walkers at the pentagon get a

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little deeper into these cases you know

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that have been reported that are pretty

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well let me switch gears real quick to

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enzo so enzo uh thank you for being on

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the show and everyone who's watched any

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of the shows in this community will

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recognize your name your constant

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presence in the chat and uh you know we

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thank you very much for your support so

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like what

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has brought you to this topic and and

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also how do you do it do you have a

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clone do you have multiple computers

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running i mean we really want the

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answers here how do you pull this off

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how are you everywhere all the time well

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a good magician never reveals all their

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tricks but uh as far as as far as what

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got me into this uh

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of friends uh when i was very young to

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the theaters there was a movie that was

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in there it was bigfoot the loch ness

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monster and uh i guess it was just

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aliens in general or ufos

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and i remember just kind of getting

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sucked into that world and was

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fascinated by it and when i was about 10

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i i did see

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what would be a ufo it would be a light

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in the sky kind of a thing and

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when i started asking around school the

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next day because it was in a very public

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area a lot of people should have seen it

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suddenly i it was like

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you're the ufo kid now

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it's like okay maybe maybe i won't say

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anything else wow about it

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but always had that that interest and uh

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insomniac uh so listening to the radio

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all night long

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art bell of course comes in uh just

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hours listening to him and enjoying his

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show where he discusses all of these

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topics it's it's always kind of been

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recently i kind of was just mostly a

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nuts and bolts standard nuts and bolts

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ufo guy

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off a long time ago and bigfoot

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i've been out in the woods you hear

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weird things i don't know about that

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but uh i'm also a big fan of uh the tv

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show survivor man with les stroud yeah

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he's like hey

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just a large gorilla type of thing

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or whatever that it's possible something

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like that could survive in and he did a

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several specials on it

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and uh that kind of turned me around

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it's like well if he believes it you

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know this person that you know

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week after week you know go surviving

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for a week out in the middle of uh crazy

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situations if he thinks it's possible

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why who am i to say is wrong and kind of

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opened the floodgates a little bit and

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uh started looking more into

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like like everyone else the last couple

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of years you're sitting around you've

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seen everything on netflix you've seen

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all that stuff it's like well what's

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huge selection of uh pop-up youtube

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channels about

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these very topics and and as we

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mentioned you know the the skinwalker

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show

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uh and just the stories about that and

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as as jess rightly pointed out there's

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other places that are similar that

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around the world

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that how could it just be

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you know 20 different things all

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happening in this like 20 acre property

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there's something else going on there so

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that's when i kind of took my dive in on

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everybody's different youtube channels

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and uh try and catch all of them live

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it's that's that's what attracts me is

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the the live part where they interact

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with the you know the fans and in the

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chat hi chat

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yes

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i see like 20 different names that i

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normally would be like hi how are you

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doing hi how are you doing how are you

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doing by this

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usually about this stage of the show is

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when your fingers are worn out and

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everybody's done all their hellos and we

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can actually listen to what's going on

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in the show

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yes no big big shout out to the audience

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deb is uh gonna she's coming back she

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has some glitching issues but i wanted

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to ask you about actually kind of get

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both your takes on this because you kind

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of brought this up and so

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the

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really decade maybe a little bit less of

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where our content is now

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um coming we can consume content now

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that is not coming directly through the

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traditional channels and and you see a

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lot of the content creators that are

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kind of coming out of the similar

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generation you know we we kind of grew

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up with like you mentioned the same

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kinds of things and it's like we're

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entering this phase in which we're now

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feeling comfortable in our own lives

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where we are in our careers or whatever

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just to kind of we're going there you

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know we're going to we're going to we're

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going to create content we're going to

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ask these questions we're going to we're

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going to have these shows explore these

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topics

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and and that that that process itself is

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like an invitation like it's an

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invitation for people to say

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you know i've had something similar

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you know this is what i've seen you know

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how do you kind of contextualize this

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you described it a little bit but you

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know what do you see the trajectory

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looking like here as we as this

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kind of proliferation of content becomes

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the norm and uh the more we embrace this

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subject do you see it uh you know

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getting weirder than it is now do you

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see it becoming kind of more normalized

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how do you look at that

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is that that for me or for jess yeah go

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ahead and take that one yeah okay oh

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i'll take that

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uh as far as the last part of your

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question i i see it getting much weirder

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to to especially if you're gonna say

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okay all of it's related

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the one the explanation for all of it

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it's gotta be way beyond what we could

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even comprehend at this point without

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inventing new science or at least

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thought processes out even how that

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would even exist or work

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uh you know much less you know the

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science of how stuff lies around uh what

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flies

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but uh

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it's uh

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the thing i love about our little

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community is uh

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it's just regular people it's not

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somebody shilling a book it's not

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somebody that has a movie coming out

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it's not

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you know approved sources

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that you don't believe on other things

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that you know about but if they talk

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about something else oh okay now i

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understand no it's still the same

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weak source from the beginning but uh

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this is it's just us it's it's us it's

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our own people it's like

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a group of friends uh gathered around

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the campfire uh telling telling tales

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you know to each other

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uh you know the

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the phenomenon in general

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is uh the one of the big sticking points

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for you know the normies outside looking

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in is that that lack of evidence

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you know we we don't have that ship part

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we can pull up we don't have the oh you

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see the portal always appears right here

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that the bigfoot jumps out of

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we don't really have that as nice as

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that would be

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so

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uh

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and look to the past at things that have

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occurred to maybe try and piece together

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something on our own uh

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now uh you know the federal government

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has started up their own program again

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and seems to be taking it seriously uh

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we'll we'll see what they have to tell

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us uh

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later in the year or really

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realistically probably more like next

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year they're still setting everything up

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i don't expect to hear a whole lot out

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of them right

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but the uh the civilian groups i think

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is where we'll probably hear

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something substantial from first like

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galileo and uapx and so forth so

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it does sound like a bit of a horse race

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there right i mean we've got a lot of

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groups in uh

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in the swim lane

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mixing a lot of metaphors here but

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they're out of the gate and they're

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chasing stuff uh do you have you know if

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you were to put a bet you know do you

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have a sense of which one might find

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something first

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ooh

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which one's going to be in the lead uh

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that's a that's a tough one i know uh

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uapx has a lot of good folks in it and

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it seems like every other week we're

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hearing about new people getting added

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to the galileo team so

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that's that's kind of tough and and

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i feel like we've heard a little bit

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more at least as far as some of their

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tech and some of the stuff from uapx

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because a lot of them actually hang out

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uh in in our own chats and we'll pop on

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some shows with i haven't heard as much

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from galileo which doesn't mean they're

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not doing anything they're just not

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telling us which i can get because

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you got you know avi logan you actual

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scientist they're going to collect all

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the data and for presented at the end

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they're not going to tell us what's

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going on like right now so

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right that's a great point it will just

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how do you view this uh sort of

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transition you've been in the game you

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are in the game you know you're creating

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content and you've seen the community uh

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kind of go through some some different

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stages right and i love how enzo put it

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it's very much really it's it's more of

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a campfire conversation that's how i

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certainly look at it it's less like

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we're doing an official thing we're

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really just having a chat and so how do

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you view that uh kind of trajectory away

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from mainstream content to this really

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kind of democratization of voices uh you

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know and your part in that and where do

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you think it's going

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oh i think like when i when i first

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entered the podcast thing because i come

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from a different background than a lot

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of other people i actually studied

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broadcast journalism so for me i

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actually had pursued a career in

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but i did not really want to go work in

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that system so i ended up working you

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know for video game channel which was

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way more fun

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and um once that kind of ended i went

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and did my own thing and podcasting kind

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of started to pick up and you know i

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actually got into it because you know

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i'd listen to coast to coast

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or bell

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you know and then i listened to nori i

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got into jimmy church i listened to joe

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roop i listen to all these people and

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i'm like man

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i want to be like that you know i want

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to talk about these things and i want to

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be a show where people can tune in

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and learn something from like all these

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different people and that's what i

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always wanted

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so i think for me

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that was a little different but

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and now i can talk about how i've seen

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the changes because i've been in the

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community a little bit longer than some

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and shorter than others

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but when i first entered the community

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big

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the

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it was a lot of like unprovable things

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there were a lot of people claiming

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stories and saying things and asking for

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money for information

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i'm not that there's people not doing

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that now but you know um

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i've seen a shift and as the two i

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remember when the to the stars academy

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stuff started and i was like

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why is tom delong why tom's along but

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you could see as it went it got more

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people interested or more people

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comfortable to talk about it and you

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kind of saw ufo twitter kind of take off

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and this shift from this

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super kind of woo like

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secret secret 20 and back to mars and

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all this and that that stuff kind of

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went to the wayside

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and we had people like louisando i you

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know what whatever you think of him but

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people like him coming forward and

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saying like we have this information and

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releasing these videos

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and that's a lot different than what we

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had back then so with that the shift

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kind of came to where we were going

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we're not simple and looking for more

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information and you've seen and i've you

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know witnessed all these creators kind

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of

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blossomed from that and i think it's a

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wonderful thing to hear all these

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different voices talking to

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different people and bringing other

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people in because for a long time

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you're listening to the same people get

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talked to over and over again

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and now we have

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a whole bunch of people new researchers

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new hosts it's quite amazing

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yeah how do you

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um

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how do you approach the kind of

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divisiveness that seems to kind of rear

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to every once in a while because i hear

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from what you're saying there that you

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know the value of the different voices

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and you know kind of validating

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different perspectives and you know our

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show is about that we are about you know

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kind of respecting everybody's journey

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and elevating a positive met message

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we're all in this together you know heck

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if we had the answers we wouldn't be on

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a show like this would be on you know 60

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minutes or cnn or whatever it is uh

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telling the world about it so we're

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we're all seeking something uh but it

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this tribalism that we see happen so

556
00:19:34,789 --> 00:19:33,520
often uh you know what what's the source

557
00:19:36,150 --> 00:19:34,799
of that how do we how do we kind of

558
00:19:37,750 --> 00:19:36,160
overcome that

559
00:19:39,909 --> 00:19:37,760
i think at the end of the day it's one

560
00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:39,919
word and it's ego

561
00:19:43,669 --> 00:19:42,080
it's people's egos and

562
00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:43,679
and unfortunately that's something

563
00:19:49,510 --> 00:19:46,320
people have to work on on themselves

564
00:19:51,830 --> 00:19:49,520
and this type of work attracts egos too

565
00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:51,840
you know they're like i did this i did

566
00:19:56,310 --> 00:19:54,320
this respect me for this

567
00:19:59,110 --> 00:19:56,320
or you're stupid for this but you know

568
00:20:01,190 --> 00:19:59,120
what i do is i don't go on ufo twitter

569
00:20:02,549 --> 00:20:01,200
and then i and then i start seeing them

570
00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:02,559
i'll look at it and i'm like well what

571
00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:04,240
is this it's

572
00:20:09,190 --> 00:20:06,720
to me it's energy draining it's there's

573
00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:09,200
no reason for it you know

574
00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:11,280
talk about the information

575
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:13,440
talk about experiences we're not you

576
00:20:19,029 --> 00:20:17,280
know i i don't see the reason to fight

577
00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:19,039
but i think that's in every community

578
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:24,390
yeah enzo what do you think about that

579
00:20:30,549 --> 00:20:28,159
uh yeah i 100 agree uh i feel that

580
00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:30,559
social media in general we'll just stick

581
00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:32,559
with twitter because that's that's the

582
00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:35,120
thing most folks are familiar with

583
00:20:38,230 --> 00:20:36,240
is

584
00:20:39,510 --> 00:20:38,240
basically the squeaky wheel gets the

585
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:39,520
grease

586
00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:42,240
and no matter what the topic whether

587
00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:43,520
it's

588
00:20:50,630 --> 00:20:47,520
politics sports ufos bigfoot

589
00:20:51,830 --> 00:20:50,640
uh knitting uh you know water skiing it

590
00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:51,840
doesn't matter

591
00:20:55,990 --> 00:20:53,520
there are

592
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:56,000
polarized people on either side of the

593
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:58,320
topic extreme one way and an extreme

594
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:59,520
another

595
00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:00,400
and

596
00:21:04,870 --> 00:21:03,039
that's who's making the most noise

597
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:04,880
uh you've got that

598
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:07,039
other you know 80 percent that's in the

599
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:08,640
middle that uh

600
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:10,000
is basically just trying to keep their

601
00:21:14,149 --> 00:21:13,200
head down and not get uh canceled

602
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:14,159
and it's

603
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:16,320
you know with with our own stuff uh in

604
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:18,720
our own like ufo twitter world it seems

605
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:20,880
to me like there's like a

606
00:21:25,110 --> 00:21:23,520
maybe a dozen or 20

607
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:25,120
instigators i'm not saying they're doing

608
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:27,520
it intentionally or it's some secret

609
00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:30,480
government plot that's a whole other web

610
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:31,360
thing

611
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:33,520
uh people going down that road but it's

612
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:34,320
uh

613
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:35,679
that are just

614
00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:36,530
jerks

615
00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:39,200
[Laughter]

616
00:21:43,029 --> 00:21:40,960
i wish there was a nicer way to say it

617
00:21:45,029 --> 00:21:43,039
but uh you know it's you know their

618
00:21:47,909 --> 00:21:45,039
opinion's always right you're always

619
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:47,919
wrong uh you know whatever

620
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:50,400
you they everything's an an a or a b

621
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:51,679
there's no everything's black and white

622
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:54,320
there's no gray gradient between

623
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:56,480
uh and if you're not with me you're

624
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,400
against me kind of attitude

625
00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:00,720
for either i you know either side of the

626
00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:02,080
spectrum

627
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:04,559
uh for any topic

628
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:07,200
it's it's what makes

629
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:09,600
twitter and social media in general just

630
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:11,440
kind of unbearable for a lot of people

631
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:13,039
that's why

632
00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:15,840
everyone on the planet isn't using it

633
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:18,080
the idea behind it is fantastic you

634
00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:20,159
could actually an alien race should be

635
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:21,440
able to look at

636
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:23,200
you know if there was just one like

637
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:24,880
twitter and it's like okay this is you

638
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:28,240
know an amalgamation of all of humanity

639
00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:30,240
you know what we see here and what do

640
00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:32,720
they see

641
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:35,919
and uh it's it's aggravating you know it

642
00:22:39,909 --> 00:22:38,720
should be a almost like a hive mind you

643
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:39,919
know getting the temperature of

644
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:42,320
everybody it's it's okay to disagree

645
00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:43,200
it's

646
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:46,480
especially for this topic because

647
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:50,320
for the most part it's mostly you know

648
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:52,000
eyewitness statements

649
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:54,480
a couple of grainy photographs some

650
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:56,080
radar imagery

651
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:58,400
and a ton of

652
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:00,400
personal accounts

653
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:03,200
and uh that's what we got right now to

654
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:04,320
work with

655
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:05,280
so

656
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:07,679
sharing those stories and you know if it

657
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:08,880
happens to be something that doesn't

658
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:10,880
align to someone they get shouted down

659
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:11,919
well now they're not going to share

660
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:14,000
again much much like my own story of

661
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:16,240
seeing the ufo when i was a kid you know

662
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:18,000
i didn't want to talk to anybody else

663
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:20,240
and be the weirdo

664
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:23,360
it's it's that same thing just on a

665
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:25,679
grander scale

666
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:27,280
yeah so well said

667
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:29,280
uh well i've taken up some some time on

668
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:30,559
the floor kevin do you want to ask some

669
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:31,440
questions

670
00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:33,520
wow man you know just

671
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:35,919
uh your conversation the way you

672
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:37,360
approached all those questions nathan

673
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:39,520
was fantastic in fact uh they answered a

674
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:40,799
lot of the questions during that

675
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:43,600
conversation so

676
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,760
i have actually i have um

677
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:47,520
i have actually a comical lightning

678
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:49,279
round at the end of maybe towards the

679
00:23:52,390 --> 00:23:51,279
end of the show i was going to do it

680
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:52,400
kind of stole

681
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:54,799
deb's idea sorry dad i feel kind of

682
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:57,679
guilty about that no no it's it's not

683
00:24:01,830 --> 00:24:00,400
it's not patented i promise okay

684
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:01,840
lightning rounds for everyone that's

685
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:04,000
right yeah hang on i'm complaining about

686
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:06,080
this on twitter exactly oh yeah so

687
00:24:09,669 --> 00:24:08,320
that's the thing i i haven't i've kind

688
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:09,679
of really backed off twitter it's been a

689
00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:11,840
couple weeks i'm just on there i dropped

690
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:13,760
the promos and that's it now you know

691
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:15,760
it's the tribalism it just kills me it's

692
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:16,720
like

693
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:18,640
i i'm there for the ufos i'm there for

694
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:21,360
the flying saucers and not not the drama

695
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:22,400
i'm like

696
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:24,400
i'll you know i'll just watch more

697
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:26,480
history channel less twitter that's fine

698
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:28,080
with me

699
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:29,120
you know

700
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:35,039
earlier about motivations like i'm both

701
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:36,559
of you actually i will start with just

702
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:37,919
i'd like to know

703
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:41,120
what motivated you to um

704
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:43,120
to really um

705
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:46,080
the direction of your your podcasts you

706
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:47,919
know what

707
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:49,919
no please that's a go ahead

708
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:52,320
no great question kevin no because i

709
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:54,480
think i could have gone any way i wanted

710
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:55,600
to but

711
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:57,840
what but for me it was you know all

712
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:00,480
these ex because i haven't had like ufoe

713
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:02,799
experiences or any things like anything

714
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:04,960
like that but this whole journey

715
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:06,799
actually began for me because i had a

716
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:09,679
lot of questions about my own abilities

717
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:11,200
you know as far as like psychic

718
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:12,720
abilities and getting into that and the

719
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:15,440
way for me to learn was to jump into

720
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:16,720
this

721
00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:20,080
and find out more and it led here and i

722
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:22,400
was into conspiracies it was like i dove

723
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:23,840
into this whole thing and i was like

724
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:25,760
this is what i want to talk about

725
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:27,679
because

726
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:29,760
if i talk about this stuff that i've

727
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:32,000
experienced and i know maybe somebody

728
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:34,320
out there will learn something maybe

729
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:36,640
some conversation i have with a guest

730
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:38,720
will spark some bad thing or spark

731
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:40,960
somebody or help somebody to look into

732
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:43,360
something that they needed to look into

733
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:46,000
so for me my motivation is really kind

734
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:48,320
of like thinking of myself out there

735
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:50,400
years ago listening and looking for

736
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:52,960
answers and direction

737
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:55,440
so that's motivates me all right so you

738
00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:57,279
want you want some clarification

739
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:58,880
basically

740
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:01,120
okay so do i i'm in it for the same

741
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:03,520
reason i just got questions i want i

742
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:08,549
all right

743
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:10,960
so um the same question i guess for you

744
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:13,200
but it's more different i wanted to know

745
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:14,799
you you obviously have that military

746
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:16,080
background now you mentioned you're in

747
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:17,279
the air force

748
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:19,600
i wanted to know what motivated you to

749
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:22,159
join the military

750
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:25,760
well uh for me uh i i joined up in

751
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:29,679
december of 1985. i stayed in for 24

752
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:31,760
years retired uh

753
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:34,320
december of 2009

754
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,640
and originally it was just going to

755
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:38,640
because i grew up in uh

756
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:40,400
eastern kentucky

757
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:44,240
uh and in the mid early mid 80s

758
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:46,400
the economy wasn't so great

759
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:49,520
and the town that i lived in

760
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:51,200
the the steel mill

761
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:53,279
was basically going to shut down

762
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:55,120
and i was seeing

763
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:56,880
40 year old men

764
00:27:02,070 --> 00:27:00,159
bagging groceries at the local kroger

765
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:02,080
to try and make money to support their

766
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:04,720
family because that's all they could get

767
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:07,279
you know kind of a thing it's like okay

768
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:09,520
i got nowhere to go when i get out of

769
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:11,200
high school so

770
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:13,760
i'll join the military and

771
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:15,520
they've got the you know the gi bill and

772
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:17,360
things like that so that'll

773
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:20,159
you know give me a few years of uh you

774
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:22,000
know living living my life maybe earn a

775
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:25,440
few dollars for my pocket and

776
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:26,880
you know get money for college and all

777
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:28,399
that and ended up

778
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:30,399
you know joining up and uh started

779
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:33,520
traveling right away and and loving it

780
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:35,360
cool how do you think uh that your

781
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:37,360
military experience uh influenced your

782
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:40,240
thinking about the high strangeness

783
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:44,000
well my job uh i was to put it simply i

784
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:47,440
was an aircraft mechanic i was a kc-135

785
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:50,159
crew chief a kc-135 is uh one of the

786
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:52,399
planes that refuels other planes in the

787
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:53,760
air

788
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:56,399
uh traveled a lot saw a lot of different

789
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:59,120
places a lot of different cultures a lot

790
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:01,679
of different airplanes a lot of things

791
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:04,480
that uh you know

792
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:06,320
i don't know any secrets you know and i

793
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:08,480
and i don't have an nda to hide behind

794
00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:11,279
but uh that's that's the other guy

795
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:13,520
but uh it's

796
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:15,440
you know i saw some things that were you

797
00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:17,679
know considered classified and as far as

798
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:19,520
talking of that it's not something i can

799
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:21,120
blab about

800
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:22,640
but it's something you could probably

801
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:23,919
figure out on your own if you looked

802
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:26,720
around hard enough on the internet but

803
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:29,120
as far as

804
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:32,880
in 2000 excuse me in 1990

805
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:37,200
it was either late 8 98 or 99 early 99.

806
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,960
i was living in wichita kansas saw a

807
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:40,880
friend was over at a friend's house live

808
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:42,720
in the middle of the city

809
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:44,320
standing in his backyard i i'm an

810
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:46,159
astronomy nerd

811
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:48,080
you know so anytime i'm outside at night

812
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:49,440
i'm looking up

813
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:51,919
and uh while i was sitting there i

814
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:54,480
for a long story short i basically saw a

815
00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:56,320
black triangle

816
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:59,440
and it's like wow that's not something

817
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:01,679
i've ever seen before i know how planes

818
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:04,720
work i know how you know that goes and

819
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:07,440
uh it had no lights made no sound the

820
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:09,679
only reason i was even because it was

821
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:11,279
all blacked out against the sky i think

822
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:13,279
the lights from the city were kind of

823
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:15,200
under lighting the bottom of it a little

824
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:16,159
bit

825
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:17,760
and the only way i was even sure i was

826
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:19,120
even seeing it was it was blocking out

827
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:21,919
stars as it was yeah so it was something

828
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:23,679
solid

829
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:27,120
and i had zero

830
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:28,880
explanation for what that could have

831
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:32,080
been from my experience with aviation

832
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:33,760
you know and you know from you know

833
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:36,960
flying or even the mechanical side of it

834
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:39,520
what was that

835
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,799
and uh

836
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:42,240
that kind of

837
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:44,240
spurred things up a little bit but uh

838
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:46,240
and that was in late 99 or sometime in

839
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:49,360
99-ish and uh a couple years later some

840
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:50,880
other things kind of came up in world

841
00:29:56,070 --> 00:29:53,039
events i had kind of got distracted from

842
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:56,080
from that but uh

843
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:57,679
when i retired

844
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:59,679
you know i i still had all i've always

845
00:30:01,909 --> 00:30:00,960
had these questions in the back of my

846
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:01,919
head but

847
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:04,799
uh much like uh jess said and what i

848
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:07,039
feel is the basics for our whole

849
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:09,200
community is we just want to know what's

850
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:10,559
going on

851
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:12,159
what is this

852
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:13,520
what is it

853
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:15,200
yeah

854
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:16,640
what is it that's bringing us all

855
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:17,840
together

856
00:30:22,710 --> 00:30:20,240
negative and positively

857
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:22,720
but still it's all that one thing

858
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:30,070
i love that all right deb what you got

859
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:31,600
okay so

860
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:34,799
i would like to know jess since you work

861
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:35,760
on

862
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:38,080
all of it basically trying to capture

863
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:39,279
everything

864
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:42,640
what do you think is going on like it

865
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:44,720
like if you could summarize what you

866
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:48,720
think is going on what is the phenomenon

867
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:51,600
let me preface it by saying i have no

868
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:55,760
real clue at all and my theories change

869
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:57,760
constantly based on like what i'm

870
00:31:02,389 --> 00:30:59,120
looking into

871
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:02,399
but i can say right now in my theory i

872
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:04,320
don't there's i have no basis for this

873
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:05,440
other than

874
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:06,640
maybe

875
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:08,000
but you know i've been talking to a lot

876
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:10,399
of people and you know the way that i'm

877
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:13,600
i'm hearing from people is that

878
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:17,200
there is a phenomenon out there and

879
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:20,399
how we perceive it

880
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:22,799
is what it comes out to be

881
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:23,919
so

882
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:25,919
an example people use is like back in

883
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:28,000
the 1800s right we used to see uh

884
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:29,279
airships

885
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:31,600
and uh like and you go move forward into

886
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:32,960
like the 40s then they're all like

887
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:34,640
flying saucers

888
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:36,559
and then um

889
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:38,399
and then we move towards and then you

890
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:39,679
know we get the betty and barney hill

891
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:40,960
story with the grays and then there's a

892
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:42,640
lot of grays in like the 80s that are

893
00:31:45,909 --> 00:31:44,320
being reported and then now it's like

894
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:45,919
more tic tacs so now we're seeing a lot

895
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:48,559
of tic tacs and stuff so

896
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:49,440
is it

897
00:31:54,549 --> 00:31:51,919
that that that their ships have changed

898
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:54,559
or is it that that's what we perceive it

899
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:56,159
we don't even know we're looking at but

900
00:32:01,830 --> 00:31:59,200
that's what our brain picks it up as

901
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:01,840
so it's a very interesting way of

902
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:03,840
looking at it but that would join the

903
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:06,240
phenomenon together

904
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:08,320
and you know that would explain things

905
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:10,080
like seeing a ufo seeing a ghost seeing

906
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:12,399
a bigfoot you know seeing a shadow

907
00:32:15,630 --> 00:32:13,600
person

908
00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:15,640
um other theory

909
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:17,919
interdimensional stuff

910
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:20,480
you know i mean there's a world we don't

911
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:22,159
know and that's the thing we don't

912
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:23,760
really know

913
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:26,720
so it could be absolutely anything

914
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:28,000
we could all every it could be

915
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:29,279
everything you think it is it could be

916
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:31,440
guys from space it could be guys from

917
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:34,240
other dimensions it could be ghost

918
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:37,519
ghost aliens like what like you know

919
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:40,559
ooh coast aliens i like that one i have

920
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:43,200
caught a ghost aliens

921
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:45,840
actually i have heard of them though

922
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:47,919
there are stories about them

923
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:49,840
interesting i will have to look that up

924
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:51,760
or you'll have to send me a link

925
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:53,679
yeah it's like laser sharks

926
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:56,480
that's that's part of i think it was um

927
00:33:01,269 --> 00:33:00,000
bushman's tale of how we interact with

928
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:01,279
e.t

929
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:03,840
he mentioned that one had died and then

930
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,840
he showed a picture of like what was

931
00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:07,679
supposed to be the ghost hanging around

932
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:09,279
the other one

933
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:11,120
it's so cool

934
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:12,080
yeah

935
00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:14,080
levels to this if you start to think

936
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:15,600
about it then there's bigfoot ghosts

937
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:17,200
there's a loch ness monster goes

938
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:19,200
everything has a ghost too

939
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:21,919
so many levels do ghosts have ghosts

940
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:24,320
what about you and so what is from your

941
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:26,640
more slightly more nuts and bolts

942
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:29,679
perspective what do you think's going on

943
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:31,760
well uh jess actually has hit on the

944
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:33,840
main ones that i've considered myself i

945
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,200
mean

946
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:37,440
the perception thing is definitely there

947
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:39,200
there's something there

948
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:40,799
uh because

949
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:42,960
you know our eyes you know our own

950
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:45,120
senses our eyes our ears our nose our

951
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:46,960
sense of touch and taste

952
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:47,679
uh

953
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:49,840
are fairly limited especially compared

954
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:52,480
with other animals on the planet

955
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:54,640
not to say that we're specialized or

956
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:56,240
anything like that but

957
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:58,640
it's we have limits

958
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:03,830
your brain can only process so much and

959
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:06,000
it kind of filters out the unnecessary

960
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:08,159
stuff we've all gotten into our car

961
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:10,480
driven down to the grocery store shopped

962
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:13,119
around and came back

963
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:15,040
were there clouds in the sky did they

964
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:17,040
look like anything in particular how

965
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:18,720
many birds did you see

966
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:20,240
you know what was the color of the shirt

967
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:21,520
of the person that was parked next to

968
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:23,040
you at the red light these are all

969
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:24,800
things that were around you you could

970
00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:26,960
observe them but your brain kind of

971
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:28,399
filters that out it's like i don't need

972
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:30,480
to know that that's not important

973
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:32,159
i feel that

974
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:35,200
seeing something zipping by in the sky

975
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:36,960
well first you'd have to you know look

976
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:37,919
up

977
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:40,879
which is the main problem because

978
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:46,829
all the time

979
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:49,200
but you know even if you did see

980
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:50,399
something

981
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:51,359
uh

982
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:53,760
it's it was a bird or a plane or

983
00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:55,520
superman or something i don't know

984
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:58,720
and so it's there's i feel that there is

985
00:35:01,990 --> 00:35:00,320
an element of

986
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:02,000
you know it's beyond your understanding

987
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:04,079
you're working on something else ah just

988
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:05,200
ignore it

989
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:07,920
we we've all gone out and bought a new

990
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:10,560
car or a new to you car

991
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:12,560
and uh as you know you did your research

992
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:14,560
you found a car you liked okay there it

993
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:16,160
is i'll buy it as soon as you start

994
00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:17,359
driving around

995
00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:19,839
you start seeing your car

996
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:21,280
everywhere

997
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:22,800
i didn't know there were so many of

998
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:24,640
whatever it is you're driving

999
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:26,560
they've always been there but because

1000
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:29,200
now you own one and you're used to that

1001
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:30,640
context and its shape and everything

1002
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:32,800
else you start noticing it at other

1003
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:34,079
places

1004
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:37,440
it just so the perception thing

1005
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:38,640
i think is

1006
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:40,960
it's it's fairly high on my list it's

1007
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:43,200
there could be stuff zipping around all

1008
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:45,599
the time and maybe there always has been

1009
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:46,800
it's just

1010
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:48,800
we're too busy you know

1011
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:51,119
hunting and gathering at one point or

1012
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:55,119
sending mean tweets uh on you know today

1013
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:56,640
but

1014
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:58,720
and again much like jess said the the

1015
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:01,040
interdimensional side that kind of

1016
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:04,160
answers everything it does right for

1017
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:06,000
cryptids and ghosts and

1018
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:09,359
uh ufos and aliens and

1019
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:10,240
the

1020
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:13,119
everything yeah everything it's that

1021
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:15,599
that's the catch-all for everything and

1022
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:18,240
some people who uh seem to be in the

1023
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:21,119
know definitely feel wormholes are the

1024
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:27,430
yeah if it's a and even for like places

1025
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:29,119
like skinwalker ranch where you've got

1026
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:31,839
that that thinning of the veil type of

1027
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:32,960
concept

1028
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:35,119
where you know they just kind of slip

1029
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:36,960
into our reality for a minute and maybe

1030
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:38,560
slip back out

1031
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:39,359
uh

1032
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:41,520
that interdimensional thing really does

1033
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:43,359
answer that i i've never been a big fan

1034
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:45,040
of like you know the you know it's it's

1035
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:48,480
us from the future or whatever or

1036
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:50,320
they're yeah and then there's a dozen

1037
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:51,920
other and none of them are really wrong

1038
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:54,480
because we can't prove any of them

1039
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:55,760
knows

1040
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:57,599
exactly it's you know it's it's all

1041
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:00,320
theorizing at this point but

1042
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:02,560
if you want to catch all for everything

1043
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:04,000
you know those parallel worlds

1044
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:06,400
interdimensional idea

1045
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:08,560
you know you get someone to invest the

1046
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:09,440
uh

1047
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:11,359
portal gun from rick and morty and we'll

1048
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:14,640
have our answers we'll go there so yes

1049
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:15,520
yes

1050
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:17,280
i love rick and morty

1051
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:18,800
great job

1052
00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:20,320
and that is the reference that i usually

1053
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:21,839
tell people about it's like look at the

1054
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:23,839
wackiness all the wacky characters they

1055
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:25,680
run into just on a single episode on

1056
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:26,880
that show

1057
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:29,680
why is that any different from us going

1058
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:31,599
okay it's grays it's reptilians it's

1059
00:37:35,829 --> 00:37:34,000
tall blondes it's

1060
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:35,839
whatever whatever you keep the list goes

1061
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:37,200
on and on

1062
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:39,359
yeah we see that in the show because

1063
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:41,040
that's the base the basis of it is

1064
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:43,200
they're going to these alternate

1065
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:44,720
parallel worlds

1066
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:46,640
and timelines and everything else and

1067
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:48,240
yeah that's what it would be like that's

1068
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:49,920
why i was earlier saying it's like it's

1069
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:52,079
going to be so weirdly cosmic we can't

1070
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:56,870
yeah and we're already part of it you

1071
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:58,880
know it's a it's just that we have we

1072
00:38:01,990 --> 00:38:00,240
have no awareness

1073
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:02,000
you know so yeah as our awareness

1074
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:04,480
expands i kind of wonder like

1075
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:06,400
do you think that

1076
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:08,320
in your own personal experience and so

1077
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:09,599
we can start with you and then jess i

1078
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:11,599
definitely want to get your take on this

1079
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:13,440
the

1080
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:19,680
willingness to accept it does that

1081
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:22,000
change the way you look at people

1082
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:23,839
human people you know so just people

1083
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:25,599
generally you know can you become more

1084
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:26,640
accepting of different people's

1085
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:27,839
differences

1086
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:30,560
because of that or you know yeah i'm

1087
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:33,839
just curious about that it you know

1088
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:36,079
if you'd asked me

1089
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:38,320
even like two years ago probably

1090
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:40,240
it's like well this person says that

1091
00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:42,880
they can talk to the dead and

1092
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:44,720
they can

1093
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:46,880
see ghosts or

1094
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:49,200
uh they've communicated with aliens or

1095
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:50,720
all these things and be like yeah okay

1096
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:52,079
that's great

1097
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:54,000
and uh

1098
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:56,000
that would kind of be the rest of it but

1099
00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:57,119
now

1100
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:58,480
and again

1101
00:39:01,670 --> 00:39:00,079
that interdimensional thing that kind of

1102
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:01,680
opens it all up

1103
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:05,040
you at least got to hear somebody out

1104
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:06,320
you know is

1105
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:08,640
did they you know imagine something

1106
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:11,040
maybe you know do do basic detective

1107
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:12,720
work you know maybe a few basic

1108
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:14,880
questions without insulting whatever

1109
00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:16,960
their experience was

1110
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:18,800
just to make sure we were all talking

1111
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:21,280
about the same thing but i've i you know

1112
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:23,280
today it's like i will listen to

1113
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:25,359
anyone's story

1114
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:27,280
no matter what it is or

1115
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:30,079
how different it may seem because

1116
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:31,760
we kind of have to

1117
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:34,160
at this point because there's so many

1118
00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:36,000
different things and if they're all from

1119
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:38,480
like the one source

1120
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:42,560
we have to take all of that into account

1121
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:43,920
yeah for sure

1122
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:45,680
jess what about you

1123
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:48,000
you know ah i just lost it i held it the

1124
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:55,030
the the the plunge into high strangeness

1125
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:56,720
no you know i

1126
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:58,800
did you know it was really hard for me

1127
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:00,640
for a long time because i like i told

1128
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:03,680
you i am or i said earlier i am

1129
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:06,400
i i stayed very nuts and bolts i tried

1130
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:09,040
to stay very grounded for years

1131
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:10,800
and with that

1132
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:12,800
i was hiding parts of myself and

1133
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:16,560
experiences that i had myself and

1134
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:18,240
now that i've kind of been more open

1135
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:20,319
about that i think

1136
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:23,200
i'm you know i cannot deny things that

1137
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:26,079
have happened to me thus i cannot deny

1138
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:28,079
things that people

1139
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:29,839
say have happened to them because i know

1140
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:31,119
the things that happened to me were

1141
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:33,119
freaking real

1142
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:34,720
you know and that's even from like we're

1143
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:36,800
talking even you know from uap

1144
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,040
experiences to alien experiences to

1145
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:41,520
ghost experiences to cryptid experiences

1146
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:43,920
shadow people you know or different

1147
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:46,160
beings because i've always said i was

1148
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:48,160
like when we we talk about disclosure

1149
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:50,000
you have to disclose every

1150
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:50,960
thing

1151
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:54,000
that humans also have this amazing

1152
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:56,240
ability to connect consciously in the

1153
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:58,800
dream world remote view

1154
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:00,800
one thing like that is really amazing

1155
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:02,160
and i think people are going to get into

1156
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:10,470
all right we are and how connected we

1157
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:11,760
are

1158
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:13,599
i feel like it redeems us that doesn't

1159
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:15,599
it i mean like our willingness to accept

1160
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:17,119
these things actually

1161
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:19,760
it brings us closer together it should

1162
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:21,760
you know it should place a greater value

1163
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:23,280
on the things that you experience and

1164
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:25,359
that i experienced that we're not

1165
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:27,119
quick to judge

1166
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:29,760
you know we're we're quick to listen

1167
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,280
i feel like that's a that's important

1168
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:33,599
and it frustrates me when i see

1169
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:35,520
a lot more judging happening than

1170
00:41:39,190 --> 00:41:37,040
listening

1171
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:39,200
and i think you can listen and still in

1172
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:40,400
your own self

1173
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:43,200
you know exercise some discernment

1174
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:45,520
but you know being so quick to kind of

1175
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:48,160
like come at people and say well i mean

1176
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:50,640
you your experience is is just too weird

1177
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:53,680
for me i'm only okay with

1178
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:55,839
spaceships that materialize out of thin

1179
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:58,400
air and disappear and come from the far

1180
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:59,839
side of the universe but this other

1181
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:01,520
stuff you talk about

1182
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:07,109
yeah and i think everybody has their

1183
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:09,119
limits what was interesting i had robert

1184
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:11,839
bosnack on a couple weeks ago and he's a

1185
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:14,560
young ian psychologist and he does like

1186
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:17,119
phenomenology so basically what his job

1187
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:19,440
is is he talks to people as experiences

1188
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:20,880
and what he says is i view these

1189
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:23,280
experiences as real because these these

1190
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:25,440
experiences happen to these people and

1191
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:26,560
this is like

1192
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:28,800
it's a doctor man

1193
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:30,560
so you know we look at these people you

1194
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:32,160
guys can check out that episode because

1195
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:34,240
the way he explains it is like no i'm

1196
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:36,000
looking at this as this happened to this

1197
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:38,560
person their experience is real and i

1198
00:42:41,829 --> 00:42:40,400
think people being able to be open i

1199
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:41,839
mean maybe you don't have to be if

1200
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:44,000
you're not into it but if you're into it

1201
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:46,880
learning about people's experiences

1202
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:51,750
100

1203
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:54,400
right i just i just wanted to chime in a

1204
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,240
little because the things that you're

1205
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,560
talking about really go into the realm

1206
00:43:02,069 --> 00:43:00,240
of mental health

1207
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:02,079
um not only the

1208
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:05,040
doctor's perspective of course that see

1209
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:07,119
these experiences as real it's

1210
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:09,680
beneficial to the person the observer

1211
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:10,560
right

1212
00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:13,920
but also just like for our own people

1213
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:16,640
who may not have any kind of mental

1214
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:19,520
illness per se it still helps our mental

1215
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:22,079
health if we just accept the reality

1216
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:24,560
of what's going on with us and i think a

1217
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:27,119
lot of people try to close this part off

1218
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:30,000
and pretend it's not part of being human

1219
00:43:37,390 --> 00:43:33,280
but there's a reason so many people have

1220
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:37,400
like psychic dreams or see ghosts or

1221
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:40,800
cuaps something's going on a lot of us

1222
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:43,839
have that gut instinct intuition

1223
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:46,480
um i tend to get lost and i use my gut

1224
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:48,640
instinct to get unlost and it always

1225
00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:51,520
works so why does that happen you know

1226
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:53,920
so there's something that maybe we don't

1227
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:56,720
scientifically understand yet but it is

1228
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:58,720
part of us and repressing it is

1229
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:00,319
ridiculous

1230
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:03,040
oh you're here

1231
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:04,880
so well said

1232
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:06,079
you know how

1233
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:08,000
in in the kind of activities that you

1234
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:10,000
guys are involved in you know just

1235
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:11,359
through the show and so through the

1236
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:12,960
support that you provide shows and and

1237
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:15,040
you are on shows too your frequent

1238
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:16,960
presence which i think is great

1239
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:18,160
you know what are some things that you

1240
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:19,839
each try to do and bring to the

1241
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:21,280
conversation

1242
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:24,480
to elevate this and kind of help steer

1243
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:26,240
us away from

1244
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:29,119
the vitriol and the you know the arrow

1245
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:35,270
enzo oh that wouldn't be first sure

1246
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:38,160
for me uh i use my my own past

1247
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:40,079
experience as uh

1248
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:42,319
you know aircraft mechanics aviation

1249
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:43,440
travel

1250
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:45,760
the last part of my career i spent in

1251
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:47,520
our in the wing safety office which a

1252
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:49,440
big part of that involves

1253
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:51,680
wildlife control on the airfield so

1254
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:54,000
basically keeping birds from flying in

1255
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:55,760
front of airplanes so

1256
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:59,680
i've got thousands of hours of

1257
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:01,680
staring at the sky

1258
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:05,440
looking at planes birds uh of all

1259
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:07,680
different types where where i live in

1260
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:10,079
kansas it's it's the central flyway for

1261
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:12,079
most migratory birds

1262
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:15,359
in the country and i see all of it it's

1263
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:18,240
from from eagles to pelicans and it's

1264
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:20,000
bananas what i say but

1265
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:20,800
uh

1266
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:23,200
you know seeing photography

1267
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:24,720
of all of these things looking at them

1268
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:27,200
through binoculars my own experience for

1269
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:28,880
my own hobby of staring at stuff in the

1270
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:29,839
stars

1271
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:32,960
that all kind of equates out to

1272
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:35,280
when someone sees something weird and

1273
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:37,359
holds that cell phone up to try and

1274
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:38,720
capture it

1275
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:42,319
i can at least tell them what it isn't

1276
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:44,079
that that's what i feel i kind of bring

1277
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:47,040
to it as far as my personal experience

1278
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:48,560
you know i've had a couple of you know

1279
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:50,160
seen a light in the sky when i was a kid

1280
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:51,040
and

1281
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:53,119
a black shape that was kind of wedge

1282
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:55,920
shaped uh once in the 90s

1283
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:57,119
and uh

1284
00:46:01,589 --> 00:45:59,440
that doesn't mean that i i can i'll

1285
00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:01,599
listen to anybody as i said before but

1286
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,800
uh

1287
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:04,400
if it sounds like there's something i

1288
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:06,720
have a problem with there are avenues to

1289
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:09,200
try and direct them to uh to maybe seek

1290
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:10,480
some help if they're having trouble

1291
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:12,880
processing that

1292
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,589
what else i do is i think it's mostly

1293
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:21,839
just the ability to to listen and and

1294
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:23,760
narrow out

1295
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:26,800
i'm basically a uh

1296
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:34,230
i'm i'm less immediately he's pretty

1297
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:35,599
gentle i gotta say

1298
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:37,680
he is it's just uh it's it's that

1299
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:39,839
british demeanor of like no you're wrong

1300
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,240
because right which which people don't

1301
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:44,319
uh particularly care for right off the

1302
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:46,079
bat because

1303
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:48,560
nobody likes like no you're wrong

1304
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,880
here's why you're wrong it's like no no

1305
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,319
it's just a mistake

1306
00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:54,240
this is probably i throw a lot of

1307
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:57,440
probably's and chances are this is a you

1308
00:47:03,270 --> 00:46:59,520
know kind of leave myself a little room

1309
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:03,280
for doubt uh in there but right it's

1310
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:05,280
it's it's sometimes little because

1311
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:07,040
people really do want to believe in like

1312
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:08,800
whatever their picture is or their video

1313
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:12,000
or whatever their experience if uh

1314
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:13,520
if they're if they're being open-minded

1315
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:15,200
about it they'll at least you know take

1316
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:16,800
a differing opinion

1317
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:19,119
uh and you know maybe what they you know

1318
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:21,440
the light they saw it might have been

1319
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:23,200
the international space station it might

1320
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:25,520
have been a meteorite it might have been

1321
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:27,680
uh but if you can go through all those

1322
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:30,480
things and look it all up and verify and

1323
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:32,160
it's none of those things that you can

1324
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:33,680
research

1325
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:35,520
it is you know technically an

1326
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:38,640
unidentified flying object so

1327
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:40,559
you got that you know you know it's not

1328
00:47:44,549 --> 00:47:42,720
so the normal things so

1329
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:44,559
if that helps or

1330
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:47,359
uh hinders them in their follow through

1331
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:49,359
with whatever it is they experienced

1332
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:51,359
they they at least have that knowledge

1333
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:53,200
at least that's where i come

1334
00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:55,440
come at it from so

1335
00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:58,559
i've got dj he's with us he made it

1336
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:01,839
the great cat on her yes cat

1337
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:05,119
dances on

1338
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:11,270
so you found the cat

1339
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:12,640
hey guys

1340
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:15,119
what's up man good to see you let's see

1341
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:17,920
can we see the catastrophic damage oh my

1342
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:29,990
but he got himself out i don't know how

1343
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:32,720
he got out but he was out

1344
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:35,920
oh yo you cat

1345
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:38,559
jeez man i'm glad he's okay eight times

1346
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:39,680
left

1347
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:40,880
yeah

1348
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:44,880
right yes but anyway so i'll sleep easy

1349
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:47,440
tonight and i just want to say one love

1350
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:50,720
to jess and uh and so and i know you

1351
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:52,800
guys are being well cared for with the

1352
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:54,160
captain

1353
00:49:11,910 --> 00:48:55,599
and uh

1354
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:13,670
how do they get into the wall and then

1355
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:15,920
mysteriously out of the water it's a

1356
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:17,920
very good question question getting some

1357
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:19,599
echo from somebody i'm not sure who that

1358
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:26,710
all right we shall push forward yeah

1359
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:29,440
sounding good now yep good good okay

1360
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:30,880
excellent yes well i want to get your

1361
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:32,240
thoughts on that question so you know

1362
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:33,760
one of the things that you try to do i

1363
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:36,000
know you're an excellent host and uh you

1364
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:38,319
by the way are a top-notch interviewer

1365
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:39,599
like how do you

1366
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:41,200
you do a great job setting the table for

1367
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:43,040
conversation but how do you elevate that

1368
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:45,359
conversation and you know kind of

1369
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:47,280
push push things forward in a positive

1370
00:49:50,549 --> 00:49:48,640
way

1371
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:50,559
i don't know man maybe i don't i'm like

1372
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:52,480
you're sitting here maybe i don't offer

1373
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:53,200
a

1374
00:50:02,470 --> 00:50:00,069
you know i just i just try to you know

1375
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:02,480
go and talk to people that i want to

1376
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:05,119
talk to that i find interesting that i

1377
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,119
think people will get some value from

1378
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:09,599
the conversation you know and i think

1379
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:11,440
honestly you can talk to anybody and you

1380
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:13,359
get something beautiful out of them you

1381
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:15,760
know even from like you know i did like

1382
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:17,920
tommy chong and he told me a spiritual

1383
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:19,920
story you can get things like that out

1384
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:21,680
of people you know

1385
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:24,400
you can talk you know you can have i

1386
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:26,640
think it's the art of conversation that

1387
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:29,440
i love and the back and forth and being

1388
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:31,760
able to like be comfortable and get the

1389
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:34,640
guests comfortable to like really share

1390
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:36,240
and you know feel like they're talking

1391
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:37,760
to their friend because you know

1392
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:39,440
ultimately all my guests become my

1393
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:41,200
friends anyways

1394
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:42,079
nice

1395
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:44,400
but i i just try to keep it positive i

1396
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:46,240
guess all the other i could try to close

1397
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:47,760
i always try to close with something

1398
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:50,319
positive even if i'm on a conspiratorial

1399
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:53,119
type of rant um always want to

1400
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:55,200
leave it on an up note

1401
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:56,720
yeah you got to

1402
00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:59,359
well on that note then uh like uh what

1403
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:01,520
interesting conspiracies are kind of cat

1404
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:04,079
catching your eye these days oh so just

1405
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:06,480
always the big one man just the elite

1406
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:08,480
you know there's only people controlling

1407
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:10,160
everything behind the scenes and you

1408
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:11,040
know

1409
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:14,720
we're just kind of stuck in the system

1410
00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:16,480
you know just doing our best and i think

1411
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:19,040
that's the biggest conspiracy of of them

1412
00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:20,480
all

1413
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:21,839
and it's a real conspiracy because

1414
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:24,800
people are working together to you know

1415
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:26,240
control things

1416
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:27,040
yeah

1417
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:28,880
we do find ourselves in a world not of

1418
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:30,640
our own making you know we we just we

1419
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:32,640
land here basically and then

1420
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:34,720
things are happening and things are

1421
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:37,680
orderly or disorderly and and we have

1422
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:39,920
very little personal control

1423
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:42,720
over the grander story of what takes

1424
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:44,720
place on our planet

1425
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:46,480
uh so that i can i mean that's very

1426
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:47,760
appealing right

1427
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:49,599
but i guess how do you how do you kind

1428
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:51,280
of process the uh

1429
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:52,800
the sort of

1430
00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:54,720
far end of that notion which is like

1431
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:55,839
this

1432
00:52:01,829 --> 00:51:59,920
know really

1433
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:01,839
the puppet masters you know

1434
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:03,119
we can hate on the rich and i think

1435
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:05,359
that's great sometimes but you know

1436
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:06,559
do you think they really get together in

1437
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:08,160
a board room somewhere in a forest and

1438
00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:10,079
plan things out or you know like what

1439
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:12,319
what is happening i mean even if you go

1440
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,760
back to europe you know like all the

1441
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,599
kings were related they're all friends

1442
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:17,520
you know these you know these leaders

1443
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:19,119
they all know each other they all party

1444
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:20,800
together you know

1445
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:22,960
you know it it's portrayed in the media

1446
00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:25,119
as if like uh they're against each other

1447
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:26,480
but then there are you know dinner

1448
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:28,079
parties hanging out so i don't think

1449
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:30,400
it's like that far of a stretch

1450
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:32,079
that you know these world leaders get

1451
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:34,319
together and there are people that are

1452
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:35,920
behind the scenes that are probably

1453
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:37,440
giving them a lot of money that help

1454
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:38,640
control

1455
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:40,880
you know what is being done

1456
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:43,359
so i mean how do i how do i stay

1457
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:45,760
positive with all that is what what can

1458
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:48,079
you do people are either aware they want

1459
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:50,240
to be aware they don't want to be aware

1460
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:51,760
but two you know in the opening of my

1461
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:53,520
show i have a sound clip that says i

1462
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:55,119
choose to see the beauty in the world

1463
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:56,079
because

1464
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,240
there is a lot of dark crap in this

1465
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:00,480
world and you can get sucked into it

1466
00:53:04,470 --> 00:53:02,480
looking into conspiracies and

1467
00:53:05,670 --> 00:53:04,480
you can also see the beautiful things in

1468
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:05,680
this world

1469
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:07,680
you know and realize that

1470
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:10,720
hey maybe it's not so bad

1471
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:12,400
i love that

1472
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:14,480
enzo what about you

1473
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:16,559
what what what's the big conspiracy i

1474
00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:18,240
mean you you worked for the man at one

1475
00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:20,880
point right so uh well

1476
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:22,880
conspiracy and so

1477
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:25,760
i am part of the conspiracy now i i am

1478
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:28,559
now everyone i'm the internet's uh

1479
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:31,040
emergency standby guest now because of

1480
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:31,680
it

1481
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:33,280
but uh

1482
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:35,839
from being not working on the inside

1483
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:37,839
being part of the government for 24

1484
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:38,720
years

1485
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:40,880
uh my opinion about as as far as that

1486
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:42,880
kind of stuff goes back to like hanlon's

1487
00:53:48,069 --> 00:53:45,760
razor kind of an idea you know

1488
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:48,079
never a tribute to malice what could

1489
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:50,400
adequately be explained by stupidity

1490
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:52,720
right it's just there's there i saw a

1491
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:55,440
lot of dumb people uh that would just

1492
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:57,680
you know

1493
00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:59,680
anytime you have like that

1494
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:01,920
bureaucracy there's

1495
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:03,920
those levels of it it just there's

1496
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:06,000
people that just kind of get locked in

1497
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:08,480
there and all they care about is keeping

1498
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:10,800
their job they don't care about helping

1499
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:12,160
out their fellow

1500
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:14,559
constituents or humanity or anything

1501
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:16,640
like that they just want to keep their

1502
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:18,480
little job safe and if that means

1503
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:20,800
throwing somebody under the bus or

1504
00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:23,040
letting this bill go by or

1505
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:24,800
all these things it's like yeah that's

1506
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:25,920
fine just do whatever you want just

1507
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:28,000
don't just leave my stuff alone

1508
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:30,880
kind of an idea which i saw a lot of uh

1509
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:31,920
and it's

1510
00:54:35,349 --> 00:54:34,640
to to imagine that you know there's the

1511
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:35,359
the

1512
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:38,400
cabal

1513
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:39,359
of

1514
00:54:42,549 --> 00:54:41,440
people back there i don't know about

1515
00:54:44,789 --> 00:54:42,559
that one

1516
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:44,799
you know i'm sure there are you know big

1517
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:46,880
me if anything i would think it would be

1518
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:49,440
more like uh not necessarily political

1519
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:51,119
leaders nowadays but

1520
00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:53,680
big industrial and tech leaders

1521
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:56,319
doing something along those lines

1522
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:57,839
seeing how yeah they operate

1523
00:55:02,390 --> 00:54:59,280
internationally i mean they don't have

1524
00:55:04,789 --> 00:55:02,400
these state you know restrictions that

1525
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:04,799
they don't have those silly laws to

1526
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:06,400
abide to necessarily

1527
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:09,200
uh so i could see that i think before

1528
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:11,920
you know the the secret dc cabal that

1529
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:14,319
controls the world

1530
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:16,400
now there there's too many points of

1531
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:19,359
failure for for that for me that

1532
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:21,040
where somebody would come up was like

1533
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:23,040
wait a minute you can't do that

1534
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:24,559
you know kind of a thing there's there

1535
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:27,040
there are of you as as an awful as a

1536
00:55:32,309 --> 00:55:28,720
picture as i just painted

1537
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:32,319
there are stop gaps in there to prevent

1538
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:34,640
you know global catastrophes and things

1539
00:55:43,589 --> 00:55:41,349
there are good people out there in the

1540
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:43,599
system that's why the system still kind

1541
00:55:47,829 --> 00:55:45,839
of works

1542
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,839
because of those those few good people

1543
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:49,680
that still believe in

1544
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:51,200
you know what what goes on in their

1545
00:55:54,789 --> 00:55:52,720
country and believe that they're working

1546
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:54,799
for their constituents and things like

1547
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:56,960
that because if if all of them were in

1548
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:57,920
on it

1549
00:55:59,430 --> 00:55:58,640
right

1550
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:59,440
then

1551
00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:01,280
we'd never have a voice we'd never we'd

1552
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:02,880
have never gotten

1553
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:06,000
uh you know stuff added in to create a

1554
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:08,240
new you know reporting center for the

1555
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:11,040
dod and things like that for you know

1556
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:13,200
what we're looking at right now it's

1557
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:15,119
i never imagined we'd have that kind of

1558
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:17,280
thing pop up and to pop up over the last

1559
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:19,280
couple of years if i guess if there's

1560
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:21,280
gonna be a conspiracy that that would be

1561
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:22,480
it for me it's like

1562
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:26,319
why now all of a sudden why is is there

1563
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:27,359
like some

1564
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:30,000
you know evil alien cabal that has a

1565
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:33,440
specific timeline that you know the umu

1566
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:35,200
is going to circle back in a couple of

1567
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:36,640
years and they we need to be prepared

1568
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:38,640
for i don't know about all that

1569
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:40,319
but uh

1570
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:41,520
that's the thing that shocked me the

1571
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:43,440
most that made me kind of rear my head i

1572
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:45,920
was like what's going on here

1573
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:48,400
yeah exciting progress

1574
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:50,240
all right dad what you got

1575
00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:54,880
so i guess i would like to know um

1576
00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:57,839
what you guys are most excited about

1577
00:57:02,549 --> 00:56:59,920
when you've talked about citizen

1578
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:02,559
evidence coming forward i know i'm

1579
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:04,640
excited about that right of course we

1580
00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:06,640
have uapx is supposed to be coming out

1581
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:08,319
really soon because their movie is about

1582
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:10,000
to come out which means they have their

1583
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:12,559
nda lifted and things are coming out

1584
00:57:17,109 --> 00:57:14,880
galileo's been working on building their

1585
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:17,119
equipment and should start having

1586
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:19,680
something soon what are you most excited

1587
00:57:30,309 --> 00:57:27,670
let's go with jess i don't i haven't

1588
00:57:32,470 --> 00:57:30,319
been following it to be quite honest um

1589
00:57:34,870 --> 00:57:32,480
and i

1590
00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:34,880
i'm not i mean it all sounds great i'm

1591
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:37,119
not excited for more one thing more than

1592
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:42,390
what are uh

1593
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:44,640
well what's next on your kind of uh on

1594
00:57:47,829 --> 00:57:46,319
your show lineup what what topics are

1595
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:47,839
you chasing down right now what are we

1596
00:57:52,470 --> 00:57:50,720
doing what are we doing i've got um

1597
00:57:54,630 --> 00:57:52,480
let's see well on monday i have big

1598
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:54,640
willy that's going to be fun

1599
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:57,599
look at this here

1600
00:58:02,630 --> 00:57:59,440
yeah i love that beard i do want to talk

1601
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:02,640
about his beard is it that guy oh yes

1602
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:04,720
there he just pops in

1603
00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:07,520
next wednesday i have les valdez coming

1604
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:09,520
on and he talked he has an experiencer

1605
00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:12,160
group and then the following week i've

1606
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:15,200
got uh radio host alex exum coming on

1607
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:17,760
and then i have benjamin balderson who

1608
00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:20,319
is an alchemist with and he's going to

1609
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:24,000
be a really good interesting show if you

1610
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:25,680
haven't if you don't know about alchemy

1611
00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:27,599
if you've heard these words it's

1612
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:29,280
definitely something you want to like

1613
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:31,359
come in and check out this guy like

1614
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:33,119
knows this stuff and he can explain it

1615
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:35,599
in a way to people who are totally

1616
00:58:39,829 --> 00:58:38,240
unfamiliar with this topic

1617
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:39,839
that sounds fascinating

1618
00:58:43,829 --> 00:58:42,160
it's going to be so cool i'm looking

1619
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:43,839
forward to that one yeah definitely

1620
00:58:51,910 --> 00:58:50,150
and so what uh what's got on your radar

1621
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:51,920
uh as far as uh

1622
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:54,000
deb's original question was

1623
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:55,359
we wanted to

1624
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:56,720
what were we looking forward out of the

1625
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:58,880
civilian side was that yeah well in

1626
00:59:02,390 --> 00:59:00,400
general it can be

1627
00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:02,400
government side also but what are you

1628
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:05,599
excited about i forgot one major one but

1629
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:07,520
maybe you'll think of it what are you

1630
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:09,200
excited

1631
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:10,960
uh as far as uh coming out of galilee

1632
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:13,680
and uapx

1633
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:16,160
i don't know the full scope of what

1634
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:18,000
they're specifically investigating

1635
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:19,200
obviously there's going to be some

1636
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:21,200
visual component involved there

1637
00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:23,520
uh i'd like to see

1638
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:24,799
that's mostly what i'm looking forward

1639
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:26,799
to is what it what was it that they're

1640
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:28,480
using what equipment are they using

1641
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:30,240
where were they using it

1642
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:32,640
uh what gave them the idea to like point

1643
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:35,119
their stuff this direction or whatever

1644
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:37,440
it is i'm i'm almost more curious about

1645
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:40,160
what their process is than uh

1646
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:42,640
because even if they found nothing

1647
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:45,119
that still checks stuff off of the list

1648
00:59:47,829 --> 00:59:46,559
it's like okay they didn't find anything

1649
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:47,839
in the infrared spectrum or the

1650
00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:52,240
ultraviolet or or violet violet and

1651
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:53,760
i guess it would be ultra violent too

1652
00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:57,440
they could be more aggressive uh but uh

1653
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:59,200
you know it's it's it's still things

1654
01:00:03,270 --> 01:00:00,480
that you know even if you didn't find

1655
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:03,280
something that doesn't mean that you can

1656
01:00:08,069 --> 01:00:05,520
you know it's it's still evidence

1657
01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:08,079
sort of so to speak for at this stage of

1658
01:00:12,789 --> 01:00:10,160
it where we're basically

1659
01:00:14,549 --> 01:00:12,799
pawing around in the dark uh to start

1660
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:14,559
off with so

1661
01:00:18,870 --> 01:00:16,640
anything they come up with

1662
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:18,880
good or bad you know it's like we we

1663
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:20,960
found zero evidence of this for you know

1664
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:22,559
in this spectrum or

1665
01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:25,440
this particular radio range we did find

1666
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:27,760
some similar activity when we would see

1667
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:30,240
anomalous lights or you know it's those

1668
01:00:33,670 --> 01:00:32,640
kind of things uh i'm i'm most curious

1669
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:33,680
about

1670
01:00:37,190 --> 01:00:35,280
what they're what their processes and

1671
01:00:38,510 --> 01:00:37,200
techniques and technology they're using

1672
01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:38,520
to find it

1673
01:00:41,910 --> 01:00:39,760
[Music]

1674
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:41,920
what i love about that is they actually

1675
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:44,640
just said in a conference that they had

1676
01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:47,760
the seu and uapx were meeting and

1677
01:00:53,589 --> 01:00:50,000
talking about some things they just

1678
01:00:55,829 --> 01:00:53,599
spoke about how finding these uaps or

1679
01:00:58,309 --> 01:00:55,839
finding evidence of uaps is actually

1680
01:01:00,069 --> 01:00:58,319
scientifically interesting in general

1681
01:01:01,349 --> 01:01:00,079
and you might really appreciate the part

1682
01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:01,359
where they were talking about it's good

1683
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:03,520
for anyone who is interested in space

1684
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:06,160
and astronomy anyway because they're

1685
01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:08,400
exploring new techniques for looking at

1686
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:09,680
those things

1687
01:01:14,309 --> 01:01:12,160
so there's benefit and i'm hoping

1688
01:01:17,829 --> 01:01:14,319
they'll get the funding beyond just the

1689
01:01:22,829 --> 01:01:17,839
uap topic so it's great stuff but it was

1690
01:01:27,670 --> 01:01:25,589
but as a star fan yeah you got to be uh

1691
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:27,680
chomping at the ball oh yeah it's

1692
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:29,440
to get to

1693
01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:30,960
for the things that'll come up with

1694
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:32,559
that'll that'll change everything we

1695
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:35,359
know it'll hopefully answer a lot of

1696
01:01:39,750 --> 01:01:38,240
questions that we've we have about space

1697
01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:39,760
in general because

1698
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:42,799
we there's a that huge specter of uh

1699
01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:46,240
dark matter hanging over uh cosmology at

1700
01:01:49,750 --> 01:01:48,480
the point of like well the map because

1701
01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:49,760
we're pretty good at figuring out the

1702
01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:52,079
math on like the solar system level you

1703
01:01:55,109 --> 01:01:53,200
know we're pretty good at shooting out

1704
01:01:56,549 --> 01:01:55,119
probes and we've we've measured the

1705
01:01:58,390 --> 01:01:56,559
gravity of planets where we can

1706
01:02:00,309 --> 01:01:58,400
slingshot probes around them to get it

1707
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:00,319
to go faster to reach the outer planets

1708
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:03,520
we were doing that in the 60s and 70s

1709
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:06,000
but it doesn't really scale up outside

1710
01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:07,599
of that when you start getting into the

1711
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:09,520
galaxy range

1712
01:02:13,990 --> 01:02:12,160
you know here where it should work but

1713
01:02:15,670 --> 01:02:14,000
it doesn't it's like there's a lot of

1714
01:02:18,069 --> 01:02:15,680
mass

1715
01:02:21,190 --> 01:02:18,079
that's missing so they just labeled it

1716
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:21,200
dark matter and it's like wait what does

1717
01:02:23,829 --> 01:02:22,559
that mean

1718
01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:23,839
we don't know

1719
01:02:28,470 --> 01:02:26,160
so there's things like uh

1720
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:28,480
anything that we can get to kind of

1721
01:02:34,230 --> 01:02:31,920
narrow that focus down and uh kind of

1722
01:02:35,589 --> 01:02:34,240
make up for this mass that appears to be

1723
01:02:37,510 --> 01:02:35,599
missing

1724
01:02:41,109 --> 01:02:37,520
that's what that's what gets us closer

1725
01:02:44,069 --> 01:02:41,119
to figuring out like warp drives and

1726
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:44,079
things like that that

1727
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:45,520
i don't say they're holding us back i

1728
01:02:49,750 --> 01:02:47,520
mean it's just the natural evolution of

1729
01:02:51,430 --> 01:02:49,760
discovery but that's to me i think

1730
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:51,440
that's one of the next bigger steps is

1731
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:52,960
figuring that out

1732
01:02:56,710 --> 01:02:54,480
because that will lead to other

1733
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:56,720
innovations of how to

1734
01:03:01,109 --> 01:02:58,640
measure it and deal with it and travel

1735
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:03,829
yeah completely i love that iterative

1736
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:06,000
process right i love that uh you know

1737
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:08,160
these new discoveries just beget

1738
01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:10,559
further discoveries oh yeah we're never

1739
01:03:14,069 --> 01:03:12,480
satisfied and i find it interesting like

1740
01:03:15,910 --> 01:03:14,079
some people like it's like some people

1741
01:03:18,069 --> 01:03:15,920
just like they're they're done you know

1742
01:03:19,829 --> 01:03:18,079
you meet some some folks and

1743
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:19,839
the way the world is right now like

1744
01:03:23,270 --> 01:03:21,280
they're they're fine with that they're

1745
01:03:25,589 --> 01:03:23,280
you know there's no more to learn

1746
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:25,599
there's no more discovery it's it's good

1747
01:03:29,349 --> 01:03:27,280
uh it seems like most the folks in this

1748
01:03:31,829 --> 01:03:29,359
community are are not happy with that

1749
01:03:32,789 --> 01:03:31,839
you know we would like to learn more

1750
01:03:35,029 --> 01:03:32,799
uh

1751
01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:35,039
well kev i remember you teasing earlier

1752
01:03:40,470 --> 01:03:37,920
something about a lightning round and uh

1753
01:03:42,390 --> 01:03:40,480
yeah i'm excited about that

1754
01:03:44,230 --> 01:03:42,400
okay let's we'll get to it all right so

1755
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:44,240
um i'm gonna ask i'm gonna ask you some

1756
01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:46,640
questions i want you to answer

1757
01:03:52,150 --> 01:03:49,920
who is your daddy and what does he do

1758
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:52,160
okay so um what i'll do i'll just ask

1759
01:03:54,870 --> 01:03:53,520
the question and i'll call on you guys

1760
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:54,880
one on one so these are yes and no

1761
01:03:59,430 --> 01:03:56,640
questions yes or no

1762
01:04:01,109 --> 01:03:59,440
answers okay so question number one do

1763
01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:01,119
you think the pyramids were built by

1764
01:04:04,870 --> 01:04:03,280
aliens just

1765
01:04:06,390 --> 01:04:04,880
no

1766
01:04:09,510 --> 01:04:06,400
enzo

1767
01:04:11,510 --> 01:04:09,520
uh built by no okay

1768
01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:11,520
do you think a portion of ufo crashes

1769
01:04:18,789 --> 01:04:12,880
are from irresponsible drunk

1770
01:04:22,150 --> 01:04:19,750
yes

1771
01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:22,160
all right oh i like that

1772
01:04:25,430 --> 01:04:23,520
okay so do you think that wearing a

1773
01:04:27,670 --> 01:04:25,440
disguise to bed will prevent alien

1774
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:27,680
abductions jess

1775
01:04:31,029 --> 01:04:29,680
i don't think so but i think it's worth

1776
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:31,039
a shot

1777
01:04:33,910 --> 01:04:32,880
i like it endorsement

1778
01:04:36,230 --> 01:04:33,920
enzo

1779
01:04:37,670 --> 01:04:36,240
i'm going to go for a fake mustache but

1780
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:37,680
uh

1781
01:04:41,589 --> 01:04:40,559
i i don't think that would help okay

1782
01:04:44,309 --> 01:04:41,599
okay

1783
01:04:47,670 --> 01:04:44,319
that's all right i forgive you um

1784
01:04:48,789 --> 01:04:47,680
jess uh do you believe in an afterlife

1785
01:04:50,230 --> 01:04:48,799
yes

1786
01:04:51,430 --> 01:04:50,240
enzo

1787
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:51,440
yes

1788
01:04:56,789 --> 01:04:53,520
okay jess do you collapse

1789
01:04:57,910 --> 01:04:56,799
what okay do you collect stamps

1790
01:05:00,710 --> 01:04:57,920
no

1791
01:05:02,950 --> 01:05:00,720
okay enzo do you collect stamps

1792
01:05:05,510 --> 01:05:02,960
only to send out the one bill that i

1793
01:05:08,230 --> 01:05:05,520
can't electronically uh use that's the

1794
01:05:10,390 --> 01:05:08,240
only reason i still even have stamps i

1795
01:05:11,829 --> 01:05:10,400
don't know why that one was on there

1796
01:05:13,990 --> 01:05:11,839
okay

1797
01:05:16,630 --> 01:05:14,000
are you good with handling live insects

1798
01:05:19,109 --> 01:05:17,430
no

1799
01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:19,119
oh enzo

1800
01:05:23,670 --> 01:05:22,000
i don't have an issue with it oh cool

1801
01:05:25,109 --> 01:05:23,680
okay do you think

1802
01:05:26,950 --> 01:05:25,119
extraterrestrial insects are

1803
01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:26,960
communicating to us jess

1804
01:05:30,630 --> 01:05:30,000
i got i or this is like the one i can't

1805
01:05:55,670 --> 01:05:30,640
i

1806
01:05:58,549 --> 01:05:55,680
could be

1807
01:06:00,069 --> 01:05:58,559
and that is possible it's just cool

1808
01:06:02,069 --> 01:06:00,079
even if you want to go electronically

1809
01:06:04,150 --> 01:06:02,079
they could be sending something towards

1810
01:06:06,390 --> 01:06:04,160
us that might be common for them then we

1811
01:06:09,430 --> 01:06:06,400
just haven't figured out how to decode

1812
01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:09,440
it yet that's true it's true so um the

1813
01:06:12,230 --> 01:06:10,880
next question have you ever eaten an

1814
01:06:13,750 --> 01:06:12,240
insect

1815
01:06:15,510 --> 01:06:13,760
um jess

1816
01:06:16,829 --> 01:06:15,520
not on purpose

1817
01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:16,839
oh so

1818
01:06:20,309 --> 01:06:18,880
possibly um

1819
01:06:21,349 --> 01:06:20,319
enzo

1820
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:21,359
uh

1821
01:06:27,750 --> 01:06:22,319
no

1822
01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:27,760
that might be all right then you guys

1823
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:30,480
might be okay with the invasion

1824
01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:32,960
okay so would you voluntarily be

1825
01:06:37,109 --> 01:06:36,160
abducted by alien insects

1826
01:06:38,230 --> 01:06:37,119
yes

1827
01:06:39,190 --> 01:06:38,240
okay

1828
01:06:46,870 --> 01:06:39,200
no

1829
01:06:48,549 --> 01:06:46,880
depends on the context of the abduction

1830
01:06:50,309 --> 01:06:48,559
they're just dropping by to say hi and

1831
01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:50,319
when i have a conversation i'm all for

1832
01:06:55,109 --> 01:06:53,200
it okay i would totally be for that

1833
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:55,119
just a social calling you know

1834
01:06:58,870 --> 01:06:57,440
i'd totally sure i would absolutely do

1835
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:58,880
that cool

1836
01:07:02,549 --> 01:07:00,559
my issue is always the you know what

1837
01:07:04,390 --> 01:07:02,559
comes later so

1838
01:07:06,309 --> 01:07:04,400
well that's that's really up to them if

1839
01:07:07,910 --> 01:07:06,319
they're down for a visit section would

1840
01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:07,920
you be down for one

1841
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:10,160
i would have to draw the line uh not

1842
01:07:13,109 --> 01:07:12,160
across my abdomen

1843
01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:13,119
okay

1844
01:07:18,230 --> 01:07:16,319
i like the pun that was good

1845
01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:18,240
oh okay next question jess are you an

1846
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:23,589
not that i know of

1847
01:07:26,069 --> 01:07:24,960
hmm

1848
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:26,079
okay

1849
01:07:32,789 --> 01:07:30,309
oh

1850
01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:32,799
possibly possibly that's up for a whole

1851
01:07:37,430 --> 01:07:35,200
another episode right there man

1852
01:07:40,870 --> 01:07:37,440
the iron in your blood came from a star

1853
01:07:42,470 --> 01:07:40,880
that exploded in billions oh okay yeah

1854
01:07:44,870 --> 01:07:42,480
if you want to go there

1855
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:44,880
we're all star stuff

1856
01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:46,319
you're getting too deep for me buddy

1857
01:07:54,069 --> 01:07:52,309
over my head here you're gonna

1858
01:07:55,029 --> 01:07:54,079
knock off my new headset with all that

1859
01:07:57,670 --> 01:07:55,039
okay

1860
01:07:59,430 --> 01:07:57,680
so the next question is

1861
01:08:01,190 --> 01:07:59,440
oh wait a minute and so are you an

1862
01:08:03,589 --> 01:08:01,200
extraterrestrial because you know i

1863
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:03,599
thought you were a cyborg at first but

1864
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:05,760
oh no

1865
01:08:10,150 --> 01:08:07,680
this is enzo prime but i have enzo

1866
01:08:11,589 --> 01:08:10,160
clones that go to other shows that's why

1867
01:08:13,349 --> 01:08:11,599
i can watch all of them and be

1868
01:08:15,029 --> 01:08:13,359
everywhere all at once that's that's

1869
01:08:17,030 --> 01:08:15,039
what i figured all right how about you

1870
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:17,040
um jess do you have trouble getting

1871
01:08:21,829 --> 01:08:20,640
pickles from jars this is a dj question

1872
01:08:23,030 --> 01:08:21,839
you do

1873
01:08:25,590 --> 01:08:23,040
dj

1874
01:08:27,030 --> 01:08:25,600
she may be one of them that's right it's

1875
01:08:29,349 --> 01:08:27,040
the alien test

1876
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:29,359
yeah enzo how about you how are you with

1877
01:08:37,510 --> 01:08:34,630
when they get when your your quantity of

1878
01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:37,520
pickles gets below the pickle juice line

1879
01:08:40,950 --> 01:08:39,359
just pour out some of the juice and you

1880
01:08:43,110 --> 01:08:40,960
can get through that much you have a

1881
01:08:45,910 --> 01:08:43,120
method

1882
01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:45,920
i use tools i use a fork personally

1883
01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:48,560
but you know i'm a fork guy yeah oh okay

1884
01:08:52,390 --> 01:08:50,719
that's that's really okay jess did you

1885
01:08:54,630 --> 01:08:52,400
cry during close encounters of the third

1886
01:08:56,789 --> 01:08:54,640
kind

1887
01:08:59,669 --> 01:08:56,799
you know i you know i watched that movie

1888
01:09:01,590 --> 01:08:59,679
oh yes or no question i know no

1889
01:09:03,269 --> 01:09:01,600
oh i mean if you want to if you have a

1890
01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:03,279
tangent coming please please talk that's

1891
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:05,359
the point of

1892
01:09:08,070 --> 01:09:06,799
if i can this you to say something

1893
01:09:09,990 --> 01:09:08,080
that's cool

1894
01:09:11,669 --> 01:09:10,000
i watched the movie on weird hollywood

1895
01:09:13,829 --> 01:09:11,679
with ufo gene probably like a month or

1896
01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:13,839
two ago sorry to watch

1897
01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:15,600
it's a great show by the way

1898
01:09:19,510 --> 01:09:17,600
oh thank you very much but i was

1899
01:09:22,309 --> 01:09:19,520
watching it i was like so this is the

1900
01:09:25,349 --> 01:09:22,319
story of a man that becomes obsessed

1901
01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:25,359
with ufos that he leaves his family to

1902
01:09:30,309 --> 01:09:28,799
go on a spaceship shake off and so i

1903
01:09:32,950 --> 01:09:30,319
kind of broke it down and i couldn't

1904
01:09:34,789 --> 01:09:32,960
stop laughing when i thought about that

1905
01:09:36,789 --> 01:09:34,799
yeah he just didn't have the guts to get

1906
01:09:39,110 --> 01:09:36,799
the divorce you know he just said

1907
01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:39,120
blame the aliens that other lady who had

1908
01:09:42,470 --> 01:09:41,359
her son abducted

1909
01:09:43,990 --> 01:09:42,480
that's right

1910
01:09:45,829 --> 01:09:44,000
it's funny i watched i would just watch

1911
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:45,839
that recently my wife had never seen it

1912
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:47,520
i was like you've got to watch this so

1913
01:09:51,269 --> 01:09:49,759
we watched it and uh in part because

1914
01:09:53,749 --> 01:09:51,279
some of the folks we've talked to on the

1915
01:09:55,350 --> 01:09:53,759
show have been like there's more to that

1916
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:55,360
movie than

1917
01:09:59,750 --> 01:09:56,640
you know like spielberg was really

1918
01:10:01,830 --> 01:09:59,760
plugged in basically yes um elizondo has

1919
01:10:03,350 --> 01:10:01,840
said this and richard doty said this to

1920
01:10:04,149 --> 01:10:03,360
us as well

1921
01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:04,159
uh

1922
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:06,000
and when i watched it it was like it was

1923
01:10:09,430 --> 01:10:07,360
crazy guys i mean you've seen it

1924
01:10:11,430 --> 01:10:09,440
recently just so you know but like

1925
01:10:13,110 --> 01:10:11,440
so much that's in that movie is stuff

1926
01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:13,120
that we're talking about you know like

1927
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:14,000
the

1928
01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:29,600
i had never picked up on before like

1929
01:10:33,030 --> 01:10:31,600
there's one scene where

1930
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:33,040
they're going to like a secure facility

1931
01:10:36,550 --> 01:10:34,560
guy puts his hand on this plate and it's

1932
01:10:37,430 --> 01:10:36,560
like the bob lazar scanner thing oh

1933
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:37,440
right

1934
01:10:41,189 --> 01:10:39,120
i thought about that too i was like i

1935
01:10:42,870 --> 01:10:41,199
didn't think about that before watching

1936
01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:42,880
it but now when i watch i saw the hand

1937
01:10:48,630 --> 01:10:46,320
scanner yes yeah exactly uh and then

1938
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:48,640
like dodie said something he said this

1939
01:10:52,229 --> 01:10:49,679
before

1940
01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:52,239
and i know he's a divisive figure but

1941
01:10:56,070 --> 01:10:53,760
you know he

1942
01:10:58,070 --> 01:10:56,080
he talked about you know how the the

1943
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:58,080
truth quote unquote you know would

1944
01:11:01,030 --> 01:10:59,760
really be transformative of the world

1945
01:11:03,350 --> 01:11:01,040
because like what happened what would

1946
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:03,360
happen if uh hypothetically like this

1947
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:06,000
hypothetically you know jesus was some

1948
01:11:09,350 --> 01:11:07,440
sort of uh

1949
01:11:10,630 --> 01:11:09,360
you know kind of extraterrestrial he

1950
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:10,640
uses that figure he's like i'm not

1951
01:11:16,390 --> 01:11:13,600
saying it was jesus you know just if

1952
01:11:18,070 --> 01:11:16,400
jesus were connected so as i'm watching

1953
01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:18,080
this movie we had just done that

1954
01:11:22,709 --> 01:11:21,120
interview and there's a scene where

1955
01:11:24,709 --> 01:11:22,719
they're in roy's house he's the guy that

1956
01:11:25,910 --> 01:11:24,719
leaves his family and the kids are going

1957
01:11:28,149 --> 01:11:25,920
crazy they're like jumping in the

1958
01:11:30,229 --> 01:11:28,159
playpen and like it just seems like

1959
01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:30,239
totally chaotic and the movie that

1960
01:11:33,590 --> 01:11:32,080
they're trying to watch is the ten

1961
01:11:35,110 --> 01:11:33,600
commandments they're they're trying to

1962
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:35,120
watch the ten commandments which is a

1963
01:11:40,630 --> 01:11:37,440
long long movie

1964
01:11:42,790 --> 01:11:40,640
but i thought that was a weird like like

1965
01:11:43,750 --> 01:11:42,800
nugget to put in the film like why that

1966
01:11:45,350 --> 01:11:43,760
movie

1967
01:11:47,350 --> 01:11:45,360
it just seemed really strange i was like

1968
01:11:49,590 --> 01:11:47,360
what if interesting

1969
01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:49,600
moses what if moses was the e.t you know

1970
01:11:53,430 --> 01:11:51,120
the whole like

1971
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:53,440
sea parting and then the pillar of fire

1972
01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:54,800
and the food that kind of kept the

1973
01:11:57,830 --> 01:11:56,400
israelites alive in the in the

1974
01:11:59,350 --> 01:11:57,840
wilderness you know all this kind of

1975
01:12:01,030 --> 01:11:59,360
stuff

1976
01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:01,040
the commandments that themselves hit the

1977
01:12:05,669 --> 01:12:03,360
first half the tablets the on top of the

1978
01:12:07,189 --> 01:12:05,679
mountain where the burning bush there's

1979
01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:07,199
a lot of things in the moses story that

1980
01:12:10,870 --> 01:12:08,800
are pretty whack

1981
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:10,880
anyway i i took this on the tangent kev

1982
01:12:14,950 --> 01:12:12,800
so you you bring constants are what this

1983
01:12:16,310 --> 01:12:14,960
is show is all about man that was

1984
01:12:17,990 --> 01:12:16,320
fantastic

1985
01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:18,000
that's what all of these shows are about

1986
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:19,600
that's that's how you

1987
01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:21,440
you learn really because it's i don't

1988
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:23,520
know where that conversation is going

1989
01:12:26,950 --> 01:12:25,360
right so if i can prompt a conversation

1990
01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:26,960
with any of these random random

1991
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:29,760
questions absolutely guys please please

1992
01:12:32,709 --> 01:12:30,960
talk

1993
01:12:34,709 --> 01:12:32,719
all right

1994
01:12:36,709 --> 01:12:34,719
so enzo did you have any more about the

1995
01:12:39,830 --> 01:12:36,719
close encounters did you cry

1996
01:12:43,830 --> 01:12:39,840
i did not cry all right so you guys get

1997
01:12:49,350 --> 01:12:44,630
no

1998
01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:49,360
yes so so okay what about if you hear a

1999
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:51,040
knock at the window and then you answer

2000
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:52,960
and you think it's the wind but then you

2001
01:12:58,229 --> 01:12:56,400
see me going just kidding

2002
01:12:59,750 --> 01:12:58,239
um but no

2003
01:13:01,110 --> 01:12:59,760
convince myself that there's like

2004
01:13:02,950 --> 01:13:01,120
something in the kitchen or something

2005
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:02,960
i'm like can't go out in the kitchen

2006
01:13:05,669 --> 01:13:04,560
nope not going out in the kitchen till

2007
01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:05,679
tomorrow

2008
01:13:09,270 --> 01:13:07,360
i do that yeah it's like two in the

2009
01:13:10,630 --> 01:13:09,280
morning you're like oh okay no i'm not

2010
01:13:13,189 --> 01:13:10,640
that thirsty

2011
01:13:14,870 --> 01:13:13,199
what is that fear what's that about

2012
01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:14,880
it's like somehow like dark in the

2013
01:13:19,189 --> 01:13:16,640
kitchen it's like there's there's

2014
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:19,199
something there right

2015
01:13:23,030 --> 01:13:21,360
right so i'm gonna have lights in your

2016
01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:23,040
house why is why are you stuck when

2017
01:13:25,750 --> 01:13:24,480
you're out of the dark

2018
01:13:27,270 --> 01:13:25,760
i'm just blind

2019
01:13:29,110 --> 01:13:27,280
no but think about it right you're

2020
01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:29,120
holding your phone light and you

2021
01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:30,880
illumina do you want to illuminate

2022
01:13:34,790 --> 01:13:32,960
something that's in the dark before you

2023
01:13:36,630 --> 01:13:34,800
get to the light switch or you go to the

2024
01:13:39,350 --> 01:13:36,640
light switch

2025
01:13:40,709 --> 01:13:39,360
so that the monster pops out

2026
01:13:41,830 --> 01:13:40,719
maybe the ghosts are being considerate

2027
01:13:43,350 --> 01:13:41,840
they're not turning on the lights

2028
01:13:44,830 --> 01:13:43,360
they're just trying to you know do their

2029
01:13:47,510 --> 01:13:44,840
thing

2030
01:13:49,750 --> 01:13:47,520
mm-hmm right yeah

2031
01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:49,760
very nice of them

2032
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:51,360
very considerate

2033
01:13:58,390 --> 01:13:56,400
okay so um i'll jump ahead we might be

2034
01:14:00,149 --> 01:13:58,400
are we running out of time no you got it

2035
01:14:02,390 --> 01:14:00,159
man i think we're good we're good got a

2036
01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:02,400
few more minutes okay okay well for good

2037
01:14:06,709 --> 01:14:03,840
then um

2038
01:14:08,870 --> 01:14:06,719
jess and enzo and explain scars

2039
01:14:11,750 --> 01:14:08,880
yes

2040
01:14:13,030 --> 01:14:11,760
i'm like do i have one i don't know

2041
01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:13,040
i don't know

2042
01:14:19,110 --> 01:14:14,400
maybe i do

2043
01:14:25,189 --> 01:14:22,229
enzo were you experimented on by aliens

2044
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:25,199
i mean do you have any unexplained scars

2045
01:14:29,590 --> 01:14:27,360
i do not have unexplained

2046
01:14:31,270 --> 01:14:29,600
all of my scars have explanations

2047
01:14:32,870 --> 01:14:31,280
all right jess you might you might have

2048
01:14:33,669 --> 01:14:32,880
been

2049
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:33,679
yeah

2050
01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:35,280
you might want to look on your body

2051
01:14:38,870 --> 01:14:36,800
that's my feel like i don't know that

2052
01:14:40,229 --> 01:14:38,880
i've been abducted like several times

2053
01:14:42,550 --> 01:14:40,239
and then like one day it's all gonna

2054
01:14:44,950 --> 01:14:42,560
come like like crashing back into my

2055
01:14:47,510 --> 01:14:44,960
memory and i'm like no

2056
01:14:50,950 --> 01:14:47,520
if it does please please tell us first 1

2057
01:14:56,310 --> 01:14:52,310
50 really

2058
01:14:58,070 --> 01:14:56,320
yes they did a poll and also uh preston

2059
01:15:00,229 --> 01:14:58,080
dennett also came up with the number

2060
01:15:01,669 --> 01:15:00,239
similar i think it was like one in 40 to

2061
01:15:04,229 --> 01:15:01,679
one in 50.

2062
01:15:06,550 --> 01:15:04,239
true i i don't know but i believe deb

2063
01:15:08,870 --> 01:15:06,560
she's our fax person

2064
01:15:11,669 --> 01:15:08,880
i always believe that yes yep

2065
01:15:13,830 --> 01:15:11,679
that's crazy though 1 in 50. so maybe

2066
01:15:16,149 --> 01:15:13,840
it's you kevin i might i will say just

2067
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:16,159
from a statistical standpoint it wasn't

2068
01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:17,760
a big enough sample size for me to be

2069
01:15:22,830 --> 01:15:20,159
happy with that just had to throw that

2070
01:15:27,669 --> 01:15:26,070
yeah okay yeah yeah

2071
01:15:29,430 --> 01:15:27,679
all right well how about you uh jess

2072
01:15:32,149 --> 01:15:29,440
would you get into a tic tac full of

2073
01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:32,159
grays that you just met at a party

2074
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:34,480
no i mean are they

2075
01:15:38,709 --> 01:15:36,480
what kind of like are they the cute

2076
01:15:40,950 --> 01:15:38,719
cuter looking grays are the more like

2077
01:15:43,590 --> 01:15:40,960
kind of scary like

2078
01:15:45,830 --> 01:15:43,600
dead-eyed gray enzo i'm just kidding

2079
01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:45,840
that was me

2080
01:15:49,750 --> 01:15:47,920
if they were all skinny bob would you be

2081
01:15:51,430 --> 01:15:49,760
like gosh um i guess you'd have a mix of

2082
01:15:53,030 --> 01:15:51,440
cute and scary just like people you know

2083
01:15:55,030 --> 01:15:53,040
in real life you know what kind of party

2084
01:15:57,910 --> 01:15:55,040
was it too that's the question where are

2085
01:15:59,270 --> 01:15:57,920
they at the party have they been they

2086
01:16:01,590 --> 01:15:59,280
well of course you know that's why they

2087
01:16:02,390 --> 01:16:01,600
have all these crashes so it may not be

2088
01:16:03,669 --> 01:16:02,400
right

2089
01:16:04,790 --> 01:16:03,679
to drive it's

2090
01:16:07,350 --> 01:16:04,800
that question

2091
01:16:08,870 --> 01:16:07,360
if benji said it's paul so if it's like

2092
01:16:11,350 --> 01:16:08,880
paul the alien

2093
01:16:12,470 --> 01:16:11,360
yes i would go all right okay

2094
01:16:13,830 --> 01:16:12,480
cool

2095
01:16:15,750 --> 01:16:13,840
all right so both of you are down with

2096
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:15,760
paul all right

2097
01:16:20,470 --> 01:16:18,719
cool so uh star wars oh here you go do

2098
01:16:22,070 --> 01:16:20,480
you like star wars better than star trek

2099
01:16:23,430 --> 01:16:22,080
jess

2100
01:16:26,070 --> 01:16:23,440
yes 100

2101
01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:26,080
i do not like star trek i have tried to

2102
01:16:30,790 --> 01:16:28,239
watch it people are telling me jess you

2103
01:16:33,510 --> 01:16:30,800
gotta watch it but i am

2104
01:16:34,950 --> 01:16:33,520
i grew up on star wars i'm very star

2105
01:16:35,750 --> 01:16:34,960
wars centric

2106
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:35,760
um

2107
01:16:40,790 --> 01:16:38,000
i just never connected with star trek

2108
01:16:42,630 --> 01:16:40,800
maybe i will now but i don't know

2109
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:42,640
just give it a chance it's fun it's good

2110
01:16:48,149 --> 01:16:44,800
fun there's a star trek for everybody

2111
01:16:50,550 --> 01:16:48,159
there's like five that's true yeah

2112
01:16:53,830 --> 01:16:50,560
definitely enzo how about you

2113
01:16:56,550 --> 01:16:53,840
i would say i'm probably well current

2114
01:16:57,510 --> 01:16:56,560
year they both kind of stink but uh it's

2115
01:16:59,669 --> 01:16:57,520
true

2116
01:17:01,990 --> 01:16:59,679
i would have to say uh i would probably

2117
01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:02,000
be more of a star trek fan than a star

2118
01:17:05,669 --> 01:17:03,120
wars track

2119
01:17:07,110 --> 01:17:05,679
all right nice cool

2120
01:17:09,189 --> 01:17:07,120
all right i had to pin for it for a

2121
01:17:10,470 --> 01:17:09,199
trekkie anyway i i always wanted to be

2122
01:17:11,590 --> 01:17:10,480
scotty

2123
01:17:13,510 --> 01:17:11,600
yeah

2124
01:17:14,470 --> 01:17:13,520
engineer all right

2125
01:17:17,830 --> 01:17:14,480
cool

2126
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:17,840
i always wanted to be kirk you know

2127
01:17:20,070 --> 01:17:18,880
yeah

2128
01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:20,080
he's great

2129
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:24,950
i can't believe he just turned 90. that

2130
01:17:35,669 --> 01:17:33,510
i saw him at aliencon a couple years ago

2131
01:17:37,510 --> 01:17:35,679
i didn't get close to him but he was

2132
01:17:38,630 --> 01:17:37,520
there promoting the show for history

2133
01:17:39,669 --> 01:17:38,640
channel

2134
01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:39,679
but yeah

2135
01:17:44,470 --> 01:17:42,000
but i did not like saw him on a stage

2136
01:17:45,910 --> 01:17:44,480
like he was like that big you know so

2137
01:17:48,229 --> 01:17:45,920
you haven't seen him but

2138
01:17:51,030 --> 01:17:48,239
have you seen galaxy quest

2139
01:17:52,470 --> 01:17:51,040
i love galaxy questions

2140
01:17:53,990 --> 01:17:52,480
i was going to say i think i want to be

2141
01:17:55,750 --> 01:17:54,000
a sigourney weaver

2142
01:17:57,990 --> 01:17:55,760
but then i also want to be so corny

2143
01:17:59,990 --> 01:17:58,000
weaver and aliens

2144
01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:00,000
but i feel like that's that's like could

2145
01:18:06,630 --> 01:18:03,360
be like your uh breakthrough into star

2146
01:18:08,870 --> 01:18:06,640
trek watch it first then get inspired

2147
01:18:10,709 --> 01:18:08,880
i love galaxy quest it's one of those

2148
01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:10,719
movies that i like

2149
01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:12,719
keep watching it's like gotta re-watch

2150
01:18:17,189 --> 01:18:14,400
value and i really appreciate it so i

2151
01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:17,199
watch it all the time

2152
01:18:21,510 --> 01:18:19,120
i feel like yeah that's that that was

2153
01:18:22,390 --> 01:18:21,520
that's a good idea dad yeah thank you

2154
01:18:23,990 --> 01:18:22,400
thank you

2155
01:18:26,470 --> 01:18:24,000
halfway point and it's even got the

2156
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:26,480
humor in it too so yeah

2157
01:18:30,149 --> 01:18:27,840
i love that

2158
01:18:31,669 --> 01:18:30,159
yeah it's great

2159
01:18:34,709 --> 01:18:31,679
all right um

2160
01:18:37,510 --> 01:18:34,719
yeah that's about all i got so

2161
01:18:39,669 --> 01:18:37,520
well that was fantastic yes thank you i

2162
01:18:43,189 --> 01:18:39,679
mean well thank you i didn't just agree

2163
01:18:46,790 --> 01:18:44,790
love it love it well all right we're

2164
01:18:48,149 --> 01:18:46,800
wrapping up the show so i want you guys

2165
01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:48,159
to uh to tell the audience and our

2166
01:18:53,189 --> 01:18:49,920
listeners you know where can they find

2167
01:18:55,189 --> 01:18:53,199
your work uh and uh

2168
01:18:57,510 --> 01:18:55,199
who to avoid no i'm just kidding where

2169
01:18:59,270 --> 01:18:57,520
can they find what you're doing

2170
01:19:01,590 --> 01:18:59,280
and any advice you would give to folks

2171
01:19:03,110 --> 01:19:01,600
that are getting into this topic and

2172
01:19:05,270 --> 01:19:03,120
uh you know for the first time what

2173
01:19:08,709 --> 01:19:05,280
would you would you offer there

2174
01:19:12,149 --> 01:19:08,719
i guess for advice um

2175
01:19:14,470 --> 01:19:12,159
i would never put anybody on a pedestal

2176
01:19:17,910 --> 01:19:14,480
when you're looking at researching

2177
01:19:19,510 --> 01:19:17,920
things um different things like uh

2178
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:19,520
you know different topics you know

2179
01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:21,040
always look at every

2180
01:19:26,470 --> 01:19:23,440
try to expand at everything you look at

2181
01:19:28,790 --> 01:19:26,480
um don't take anybody's word for gospel

2182
01:19:31,110 --> 01:19:28,800
you know and use use your critical

2183
01:19:33,270 --> 01:19:31,120
thinking skills you know um

2184
01:19:35,510 --> 01:19:33,280
it's a lot of fun too and i think a lot

2185
01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:35,520
of the times people forget that this is

2186
01:19:39,990 --> 01:19:37,679
supposed to be fun too guys we're

2187
01:19:41,350 --> 01:19:40,000
supposed to be having fun with this

2188
01:19:43,189 --> 01:19:41,360
and um

2189
01:19:45,350 --> 01:19:43,199
i would say have fun

2190
01:19:47,510 --> 01:19:45,360
research you know learn what you want to

2191
01:19:48,950 --> 01:19:47,520
do learn what you want to talk about and

2192
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:48,960
follow that because there's so many

2193
01:19:53,189 --> 01:19:51,360
areas within this phenomenon

2194
01:19:56,070 --> 01:19:53,199
that you can talk about

2195
01:19:57,910 --> 01:19:56,080
uh so i'll say that and um i want to

2196
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:57,920
thank you so much for having me on

2197
01:20:02,630 --> 01:20:00,239
tonight wonderful questions

2198
01:20:04,709 --> 01:20:02,640
um it was an honor to be

2199
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:04,719
to be a guest tonight and hang out with

2200
01:20:09,990 --> 01:20:08,400
enzo and um everybody can find me uh you

2201
01:20:12,709 --> 01:20:10,000
can check out my website

2202
01:20:16,070 --> 01:20:12,719
escapethesimulation.info

2203
01:20:19,430 --> 01:20:16,080
um there i have my show archives um you

2204
01:20:21,510 --> 01:20:19,440
can find me on youtube um i'm also live

2205
01:20:23,830 --> 01:20:21,520
every wednesday night at 5 p.m pacific

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on the fringe dot fm you can catch me

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there we have a discord chat for all the

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listeners

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um yeah and that's about it oh just

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great time love the questions uh awesome

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time i had a lot of fun

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me tell you guys are awesome thanks for

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coming it was it was nice and relaxed

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and i already know you guys so

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yeah no pressure

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it was fun yeah i had a lot of fun

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it's always fun hanging out with you

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guys

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yay

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all right so uh so what what advice

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would you have you you've got a lot of

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uh wisdom i feel like to offer here yes

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well

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for me when i because i haven't been

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in the youtube

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ufo youtube circles uh all that long i

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guess it was

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last september october i started kind of

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snooping around and i first found ucr

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for me which

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coming from a nuts and bolts side

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they're fairly

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evidence-based uh in in

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some of their topics and stuff like that

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i felt like that was a good entry point

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for me

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and every time that they would have

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uh someone else another youtuber on

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their show i would go and check out

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their content that's actually how i

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found jess yes

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and

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her

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uh because of the timing she had like an

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uh halloween party

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and invited a ton of other youtuber

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friends on there and i was just

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hit subscribe subscribe follow subscribe

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subscribe

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and uh

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that's kind of how it all spider webbed

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out for me so you there's plenty of

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content out there and plenty of

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different takes

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on different topics and

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there's more than enough room for for

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everybody for for this topic and

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platform for everybody's specific take

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uh none of the ch you know compared to

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you know other channels about you know

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movies or tv or sports or anything like

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that

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none of them are gigantic channels

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uh but to be honest those smaller

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platforms i feel are a lot better

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especially because a lot of them

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interact directly with the chat so

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your question may actually get answered

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if you ask something from the chat

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versus those larger channels where are

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more popular but you only get that

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answer if you

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do a super chat or something like that

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so i love that it's usually how it ends

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up being but uh

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if anyone wants to follow me i'm on

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twitter and instagram

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full disclosure i don't understand

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instagram

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i'm figuring it out finally like that i

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don't get it but yeah i i mostly post uh

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space related stories things like that

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on twitter when i do

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a lot of solar activity lately which has

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been a ton of different aurora photos

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that i i threw out a bunch this morning

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so cool a lot of fun

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i find i find instagram awkward because

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doing selfies right now it's like which

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angle of my avatar

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[Laughter]

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well speaking of the community i just

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wanted to highlight some of the folks

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that were with us this evening so a big

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shout out to stuart

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uh who mentioned the community as well

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of course benji who we all uh know and

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love and uh the cornish conjuring the

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cornish conjuring uh oracles and beyond

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thank you guys

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three cat1137 we know cat love cat enzo

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is club uh arlene

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arlene

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of course akashi chris our bossy

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dear friend

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uh and zetapop cabs the best thank you

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zetapop thank you very much last but

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certainly not least paranormal pixie

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laura thank you for watching with us

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this evening we're all big fans

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apparently you are a big fan

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so wonderful show guys thank you so much

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for your time uh really looking forward

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to continuing to act with you guys in

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the community and and stay on top of

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what you all are doing

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uh

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with that and in in lieu of dj doing the

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outro like he normally does

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uh for me nathan for kevin for enzo for

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jess for dev this is calling all beings

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peace out one love and we will see you

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down the road